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Posted by datakan 2 days ago

LG denies TV spying claims, says tracking and snooping concerns 'not true'(www.tomshardware.com)
https://www.lg.com/global/newsroom/news/statements/statement...
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mbfg 6 hours ago|
gamer's nexus responds to lg's response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToP9xfLDSME
initramfs 14 hours ago||
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-KgX9xyIRK8 "Can the CIA really spy on your phone?" He mentions TV and while it's off.
initramfs 14 hours ago|
by the way, Intel's Quark chip is installed at least 3 times on each chipset and can run on a Minix OS when plugged in to the power and off:

from: https://web.archive.org/web/20201201175708/http://blog.ptsec...

Highly efficient" is 25mW at 33MHz. According to the Wikipedia page, it can run even when the PC is off but plugged in or connected to battery. an ARM Cortex M0-4 will use even less power in idle. All it needs is a tiny capacitor and bootrom and a secret flash storage to record audio and upload it once internet becomes available

"The Intel Management Engine always runs as long as the motherboard is receiving power, even when the computer is turned off. This issue can be mitigated with the deployment of a hardware device which is able to disconnect all connections to mains power as well as all internal forms of energy storage. The Electronic Frontier Foundation and some security researchers have voiced concern that the Management Engine is a backdoor.

Intel's main competitor, AMD, has incorporated the equivalent AMD Secure Technology (formally called Platform Security Processor) in virtually all of its post-2013 CPUs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

There are countless low or passive power audio devices since the Thing that can record and upload/bounce audio to receiveing devices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)

roscas 13 hours ago||
People worried about LG. Use Android, iOS and Windows. Use Facebook and TikTok! Use WhatApp and get shocked TikTok keeps all data, video, images, text and reads it. Same as WhatsApp. Drive a Tesla. Have that Ring on the door and other devices.

Go figure. People are strange.

And yes, that ME and PSP are on every cpu since I can't remember, Thinkpad T60 was probably one of the last ones without spy tech.

Rohansi 11 hours ago||
FYI AMD's PSP does not connect to the internet like Intel's ME does.
pbhjpbhj 10 hours ago|||
IIRC Intel renamed it to Intel CSME some time ago; the I in CSME stands for integrity.
initramfs 10 hours ago||
There's no I in CSME. I'm just kidding.
initramfs 11 hours ago|||
much love to AMD.
Danox 6 hours ago||
If it’s not true, why put the capability in there in the first place?
androiddrew 14 hours ago||
How can we lock down a TV, still use it but trust we aren't being spied on?
gnomesteel 14 hours ago||
Don’t give your TV internet access, and use an Apple TV.
1shooner 13 hours ago|||
At what point do we need to contend with an out-of-band mesh network? Sure you didn't connect your TV to your LAN, but did anyone within LoRa range, on any device from the manufacturer?
brianaker 8 hours ago||||
Create an open Xfinity Wi-Fi network, as well as an AT&T one. See if the TV connects to them.

This is probably obvious to most people, but I will mention just the same: do not install the antenna that the TV comes with.

Namidairo 5 hours ago||
> This is probably obvious to most people, but I will mention just the same: do not install the antenna that the TV comes with.

Wifi antennas would typically be internal and unrelated to the one F-Type coaxial connector one would typically think of as the "antenna" input.

Can't really stop the internal module from scanning and connecting to open access points unless you control the software.

newsoftheday 14 hours ago||||
We do that but use a Kubuntu Linux laptop behind the TV and a wireless mouse and keyboard (when we want to pause a movie in Chrome and search for something, like details about an actor in a movie).
herpdyderp 14 hours ago||||
I've gotten frustrated enough with my Apple TV that once my gen of hardware is no longer supported I'll replace it with a Raspberry Pi. I don't need fancy apps, just a browser for Jellyfin and (sometimes) YouTube. Any other incidental streaming service usage can also be done through a browser anyway.
aryadee 11 hours ago|||
A heads up: my CachyOS gaming PC has been doubling as my media box. But sadly, I've noticed that modern streaming DRM limits the quality because the OS+hardware is not "trusted". There's probably a way to hack around it, but I haven't gotten into it
dwedge 13 hours ago|||
I tried doing this and the video stutter on a raspberry pi made it too annoying. Probably better off using an N100
Rohansi 11 hours ago|||
> Probably better off using an N100

Exactly this. Search for a mini PC and it'll have a cheap Intel SoC in it that performs way better than a Raspberry Pi 5 but cheaper (comes with everything for ~$300), and even consumes a similar amount of power.

herpdyderp 12 hours ago|||
That's too bad! Which Pi version and RAM configuration did you try?
joering2 14 hours ago|||
There it is. Not a single TV at my house ever seen a WiFi password. I add cheap Amazon FireStick and be done. Sure Amazon also spies on me but as far as I know original FireStick does not have built-in microphone and probably is not scanning/copying my LAN content to some cloud/back home. And at any time I can just throw it in the trash, get another $29 device. Once I/you plug WiFi password to your TV, there is now way of coming back.
notyourwork 14 hours ago||
Leave it offline.
matheusmoreira 9 hours ago||
Of course they claim that, but they are not to be trusted. The capability is there, therefore it will be abused.
Daklone 11 hours ago||
It should be noted that Gamers Nexus discovered LG TVs reach out and build a map of every device in the area.

They noted the discovery traffic with Wireshark, and commented on LG boasting about how many connected devices their networks can see.

This remains to be a larger issue than the clear fact LG TVs can easily be used as remote spy devices, even when offline, by wirelessly remote connected agents.

tombardier 12 hours ago||
I for one completely believe them. That's why I rooted my C5, disabled all telemetry, and disabled Internet access entirely by default from an isolated vlan on my network that has no access to anything on any other network. I'm tempted to remove the WiFi/BT board if it's an add-on card, and probably unplug the microphones as well. I only need it as a display for my PC and 4K disc player.
juiceland 7 hours ago|
Any guide to doing this?
what-the-grump 5 hours ago|
Rooted all the TVs in the house and now I own the glass and the firmware and the DRM jail. Thanks LG for making everyone burn tokens on plugging your stupid software. But hey now we really own the device and what it does and how it does it.
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