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Posted by gaganyaan 9 hours ago

XCancel service is suspended until further notice(xcancel.com)
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goda90 7 hours ago|
> You can find the content you were looking for on the original website

*if you log in to an account

A big reason many people use Nitter instances is that X has become very locked down for unauthenticated users.

yoz-y 7 hours ago||
Web version of Twitter has become unusable now. So much so that I wonder why they still keep it.
macNchz 7 hours ago||
For years Twitter stood out among major platforms for having an actually-usable mobile web interface that seemed to be a first-class citizen / wasn’t intentionally degraded to force you into the app, and didn’t even nag you about it. Unsurprising they’ve since ruined it.
weberer 6 hours ago||
I'm calling bullshit. Twitter was always hostile to logged-out users. You could say "Well technically I was talking about 2006 before it got big" so I'll just say it was just as bad 10 years ago as it is today.
girvo 6 hours ago|||
I disagree. There was a noticeable change some time after Elon bought it to make it even worse.
Catloafdev 4 hours ago||||
No, it definitely was not as bad 10 years ago as it is today. Just objectively not true at all.
criley2 6 hours ago||||
Nah 10 years ago I could view the whole website logged out. Now it's been reduced to a single post with no replies.
immibis2 5 hours ago||
And remember, Elon only granted that so he wouldn't be (rightfully) banned from Google. At first you couldn't view anything, then Google delisted X because it only indexes public pages, then Elon conceded you can view the direct thing you linked to, and then Google relisted it.
asimovDev 4 hours ago|||
pretty sure it was even worse ten years ago cause very active twitter users would pay for 3rd party twitter apps (maybe twitter didn't have an official app back then? ~2012-2013)
Zambyte 6 hours ago|||
The whole point of butchered websites is to direct people to install their more invasive app. It's not like all companies just got bad at making websites somehow. There are conflicting incentives.
uurrnn 7 hours ago|||
So that you can be linked to it and told to make an account.
IshKebab 6 hours ago||
It did that long before Elon took over. He's made it worse, sure. But it was never really usable at any point.
immibis2 5 hours ago|||
The reasons it's unusable are precisely the reasons they don't want you using anything else. Direct control over your eyeballs. They decide where the ads go on the page, they decide what comes next in your feed, they track everywhere you look or move the mouse. Anything that circumvents this is a business risk to them.
CM30 6 hours ago|||
So media outlets, influencers, etc have something to link to, and a way to promote Twitter by including tweets in their articles.

If it's public, people can link to it and promote the site. If it's not, then either info there doesn't get free publicity or people just screenshot the tweets instead.

figmert 6 hours ago|||
I don't know why but to me the worse bit of it is the giant emoji finger that keeps trying to click the sign up button.
RobotToaster 6 hours ago||
You normally only see that crap on Chinese apps like Temu.
thn-gap 4 hours ago|||
Is it? I've only ever used X on my phone through Brave. But always logged in, though.
downrightmike 2 hours ago|||
They fired that guy years ago, so no one knows how to decom it without breaking everything
viccis 2 hours ago||
They managed to get pretty close to decomming it which is that it's now impossible to sign up on desktop without an account that requires a phone number tied to it.
TiredOfLife 4 hours ago|||
What other versions of twitter there are? I use it on both pc and mobile in browser with adblock and the experience is the same as 20 years ago. If anything the "for you" feed has become actually usable in last couple of years.
rob74 7 hours ago||
So they can try to nag you into signing up and installing the app? Which doesn't work in 99.9% of cases, but try telling that to your boss if his name is Elon Musk...
freedomben 6 hours ago||
Sadly, the success rate is significantly better than 0.1%. as a broad strategy, it clearly works. I wish it didn't, but there is a reason why all these companies do it.
p-o 7 hours ago||
Free speech absolutist, btw.
arrowsmith 6 hours ago||
What does proxying someone else's content have to do with free speech?
zahlman 6 hours ago|||
Can someone please explain to me any actual guidelines-based reason for the parent comment to have been flagged and killed (I vouched for it)?
immibis2 5 hours ago||
The reason is likely not guidelines-based.
Forgeties79 6 hours ago||||
You have to admit, the “free speech” shield-wielding megalomaniac working so hard to keep people from freely accessing info isn’t exactly great optics.
immibis2 5 hours ago|||
Optics and logic are two different things. The optics seem to be working out well for him, for some reason.
Forgeties79 2 hours ago||
Sure but my point is the Twitter experience is trash and not required like, say, paying an evil ISP or interacting with Google (for 99.9% of people abandoning and fully dodging Google is incredibly difficult). It’s working out for him because people won’t leave (even though engagement and user numbers are still below pre-acquisition numbers). It only has value because of his acquiring it with his other company. Prior its value was tanked. It’s a crap site that isn’t profitable and serves as a mouthpiece for his politics and whims.

You can all walk away. You don’t need it.

freedomben 6 hours ago|||
I'm very much on the side of xcancel and nitter on this one, but I do think it's fair to point out that Twitter is free of monetary charge. It's not free in the sense that you do have to provide some personal information and data to them in exchange for that free account, but it isn't a huge roadblock for most people, however annoying it may be.

Now that said, I sure hope Elon will pivot this and make these services unnecessary. I'm not holding my breath though.

Operyl 6 hours ago|||
The biggest frustration for a lot of people is that their municipalities use Twitter almost exclusively to communicate with their constituents, it _sucks_. I've pleaded and begged my city and county to have some other form of communication, in addition to Twitter/X, to mass distribute information.
Forgeties79 1 hour ago||
Many municipalities have text message alerts these days. I doubt it’s 100% coverage but I bet most of us can live with that or currently do.
bakies 6 hours ago||||
right, it's not free, like you said
angoragoats 6 hours ago||||
The phrase "free speech" does not typically mean "free as in beer," rather it means "free as in freedom," so in this case you're conflating the two meanings of "free" in English.

The fact that Twitter is login-gated makes it objectively less free as in freedom.

freedomben 1 hour ago||
Indeed, fair point. I've conflated those in my comment above!
InsideOutSanta 5 hours ago|||
Elon Musk, gratis speech absolutist.
angoragoats 6 hours ago||||
Twitter is heavily login-gated, to the point that I can't see Twitter threads at all unless I have an account. I do not wish to make an account. Services like Nitter/XCancel allow me to read those threads, making that speech more free.
throwatdem12311 6 hours ago||
That’s not what free speech is.
angoragoats 6 hours ago||
Yes, it is. It seems self-evident to me that the speech on Twitter is more free when it isn't behind a login wall. How could it not be? If you'd like to provide an actual counter-argument, I'd be happy to consider it.
weberer 6 hours ago|||
"Freedom of speech" means you are allowed to express your opinion without fear of being censored or persecuted for it.

It is not the same kind of "free" as in "no cost". Twitter is a paid service. To access Twitter, you have to pay for it. Either by purchasing a subscription or viewing ads.

Think of it as having to buy a newspaper before being able to read it. That doesn't stop the paper's editors from being able to criticize the government.

basilikum 1 hour ago|||
Twitter heavily censors speech on the platform itself by downranking things they do not like without any transparency.
immibis2 5 hours ago||||
Then they should be glad Nitter instances are offloading some of their traffic, right? Some requests are cache hits, so I handled that whole request myself and spared an Elon server from handling it.
angoragoats 1 hour ago|||
> "Freedom of speech" means you are allowed to express your opinion without fear of being censored or persecuted for it.

This is one way to define it, yes, but Musk is a self-described “free speech absolutist” which I would argue means that he feels speech should be maximally free.

> It is not the same kind of "free" as in "no cost".

I have never meant it in that way, and I’m not sure why you thought I did.

> To access Twitter, you have to pay for it. Either by purchasing a subscription or viewing ads.

This is possibly pedantic but this statement as written is false. I can view single tweets just fine, and I don’t see ads.

> Think of it as having to buy a newspaper before being able to read it. That doesn't stop the paper's editors from being able to criticize the government.

That analogy doesn’t really work here, IMO. My only point is that it’s objectively true that speech behind a login wall is less free (as in freedom) than speech not behind a login wall, and so a (non-hypocritical) “free speech absolutist” should always prefer the latter.

throwatdem12311 4 hours ago||||
Free Speech isn’t about who is listening, it’s about who is speaking. Just because you can’t hear it doesn’t necessarily mean the person did not speak freely.
zahlman 6 hours ago|||
> Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.

Nobody is being censored by the inability of a third party to act as a parallel distribution channel. Nor does freedom of speech have anything to do with entitlement to an audience. No website infringes upon freedom of speech by having a paywall on UGC, as neither the contributors nor readers are worse off than if the site didn't exist.

p-o 6 hours ago||
Nobody is arguing about the legal boundary of Freedom of speech, you're the only one making this argument.

We're talking about the quolloquial "free speech", here.

weberer 6 hours ago||
Could you give your colloquial definition, because its clearly different than mine.
HumblyTossed 6 hours ago|||
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angoragoats 6 hours ago||
I would argue that when he is talking about "free speech" he is always referring to the more general, non-US-Constitutional meaning of the phrase; i.e. the freedom to say what you want without being censored. So when a discussion about free speech on Twitter comes up, I assume that's the kind of free speech we're discussing. To bring in the the more narrow, first amendment meaning of the term is just a distraction or diversion.
applfanboysbgon 5 hours ago||
You are the only one who brought up that distraction from the fact that he routinely violates the first definition you mentioned.
angoragoats 1 hour ago||
I assumed the parent post was referring to the Constitutional meaning when they said "Yes, we all know what 'free speech' really means and it has nothing to do with X," but if I misunderstood then I apologize!
immibis2 5 hours ago|||
"Nothing can shut down open source" - Elon Musk, LITERALLY TODAY: https://nitter.click/elonmusk/status/2099026767357120523

He speaks out both sides of his mouth.

mbmbn 6 hours ago||
Can you point the way where Free Speech is being countered here?
gaganyaan 9 hours ago||
XCancel service is suspended.

Unfortunately, due to a new development in the ongoing legal proceedings, we are required to suspend this service again until further notice. We can't share more details.

You can find the content you were looking for on the original website:

Continue to X

Thank you for your understanding. And the trust you have put into the XCancel project.

Lord-Jobo 1 hour ago|
Classic “we must show good faith and good will before the judicial system by keeping our stuff offline, until proceedings are complete”

“Does the other side need to show any good faith?”

“No, in fact the judge is more likely to side either then the more angry and aggressive they are”

“….great”

cube00 9 hours ago||
The fact that so many large companies are still on X is so wrong.
embedding-shape 9 hours ago||
Yeah, or local governments, or governments in general, seems strange to me too. But then probably they'd use Facebook/Instagram/Whatever instead of Twitter if Twitter wasn't available, and seemingly it's impossible for them to use something that isn't built like a panopticon that also wants to slurp up as much data from their users as possible.
pibaker 8 hours ago||
There should be a law mandating government agencies to not limit their electronic communications to private third party platforms.

If they post something on Twitter, or worse, Facebook, they must also provide a copy of the post on their own website. Some kind of online government gazette, if you will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_gazette

melodyogonna 9 hours ago|||
Why?
frumplestlatz 9 hours ago||
Why is it “so wrong” to meet your audience where they are?
harrisoned 8 hours ago|||
The same reason is wrong to require a Google or Apple phone to exercise basic civil duties within government services. You are gating the service, or information, behind a 3rd party ToS, a login, and basically stating that you are not allowed to have it until you hand over personal data to such companies.
frumplestlatz 7 hours ago|||
The comment I replied to said "large companies", not government, and I don't see the equivalence.
maipen 2 hours ago|||
Why is it wrong? Is it wrong to require people to use certain tools? I don’t think so. It’s the same thing as requiring dress code to go to the tribunal or anything formal.

People here overthink so much about this topic.

cferry 1 hour ago|||
> Is it wrong to require people to use certain tools?

As the state or a representative thereof, yes; that's why public service is either run by itself or contracts to operators who must then abide by requirements (like no discrimination, unconditional access to information, social pricing, or similar provisions depending on your jurisdiction), that they would scrape the very day their activity became free market.

In France, even banks, a sector without a public actor in most countries, are legally required to open accounts ("droit au compte"). I don't mean _any_ kind of account, but at least one. On which banks naturally don't make a profit...

Google or Apple on the other hand, have no legal duty to let you in, which means in practice that they can lock you out of public services that they gate access to.

BTW: overthinking is how society moves forward :)

squeegmeister 1 hour ago|||
Because the owner of said tool is a white nationalist
frumplestlatz 1 hour ago|||
I think you’ve confused HN for BlueSky.
tempaccountabcd 1 hour ago|||
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earth-tattoo 9 hours ago|||
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vova_hn2 4 hours ago||
Just by googling "twitter api" I am able to find an "unofficial API" (scraped, obviously), that gives you access to tweets for around $0.15/1k tweets. Which is expensive if you want to, let's say, train a model, but super cheap for a casual user.

A nice UI around such API probably can be one-shotted with modern LLM-coding models and tools.

Or, you can go the hard way and vibecode something around buying twitter accounts (just several bucks per each) and proxies.

What I'm trying to say, that with modern tools it is incredibly easy to bypass the restrictions on reading twitter without an account, even if they manage to take down all the nitter instances, try to make finding nitter source code harder etc.

wraptile 4 hours ago|
You can scrape twitter pretty easily yourself with an account (lots of free code on github) but that's the thing - you need an account which is legally complicated but for your own personal use you can just create a dummy account and you'll never be blocked.
vova_hn2 4 hours ago||
Don't they require a phone number? Even if they don't, they probably require email. I don't really want to give them my main email and even less - phone number. So, buying an account seems like less of a hassle, than figuring out where to get a temporary email.
immibis2 2 hours ago|||
They make it really hard to get an account, no matter how legit you are, but if you eventually get one, you can plug it into your own private Nitter instance.
wraptile 3 hours ago|||
These are all available for couple of cents per email/phone number. I don't want to advertise these services directly but they work very well and you can find them with keywords like "SMS otp code service"
throwa356262 9 hours ago||
Proposal:

Set up a mastodon account that mirrors your (or someone elses) X account.

This way people who want can continue using X, and other people can read & refer to their posts without needing to log into X.

morningsam 8 hours ago|
I've been wondering why ~everyone hasn't already been doing this, so my guess is that Twitter's API doesn't allow it.
abletonlive 1 hour ago||
Because mastadon is not relevant to anybody but the people on HN. It's 2026, I really can't believe HN is still stuck on mastadon.
aucisson_masque 9 hours ago||
What was the Chinese alternative ? At this point I’m just going to use that instead, lawyers won’t be able to take that down.
Markoff 7 hours ago|
I think you mean https://twitterwebviewer.com/en which was also taken down anyway

I ditched xcancel for redirectors like https://twit.0r.cx/

or

https://xxcancel.com

999900000999 6 hours ago||
Makes sense, the legal system is pay to play.

Bluesky is here anyway.

Hell, you’re arguably on a Twitter alternative right now.

nunez 4 hours ago|
it's going to be a cat and mouse game for as long as X can legally afford to keep it going (i.e. til the heat death of the universe)

regardless, no matter how hard elon turns the screws on their customers, people will continue to use twitter/X because "that's where everyone is" and places like HN will continue to allow these links because "that's where the news is" despite healthier alternatives like the Mastodon network and Bluesky existing.

whatever. i've redirected x to 0.0.0.0 when the first warning shot was fired and called it a day. rocks are looking like a great place to live under right about now anyway.

blfr 4 hours ago|
I use Twitter daily and haven't noticed any screws. How is Elon supposedly turning them?
joquarky 1 hour ago||
Don't sea lion.
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