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Posted by ano-ther 23 hours ago

macOS 27: Workaround to avoid downloading AI models and save storage(www.reddit.com)
232 points | 119 comments
hbn 21 hours ago|
I'll say they definitely need to let people disable/offload the model, but if you haven't tried the new Siri, it's been great. Obviously it's not a state of the art LLM, but it's good enough, and the fact that it can search and take actions on your local data makes it incredibly useful. I definitely use it more on my iPhone where it's slower to get things done the traditional way, but I use it all the time now.

"What was the quote for my insurance claim?" - it'll look through your emails and pull the number with the source email so you can jump right to it.

The other day I asked "when did I arrive and leave Mexico City on my trip at the end of 2024?" and it nailed it based off my flight receipt.

Since learning Spanish I get a lot more Spanish stuff in my feeds, and if I e.g. don't understand a meme I'll just ask "explain the joke here" and it reads the screen and explains it.

You can have an article open in Safari and say "remind me to read this tonight" and it'll make a reminder with the link. Or you can modify reminders - "move my reminder to get groceries to tomorrow at the same time". Yesterday I told it to make me a reminder and it did, but I worded it in a clunky way so I followed it with "reword that to sound more natural" and it did it.

We've been trained for a long time to think Siri can't do anything but I urge you to try it once you're on the new one, it's quite good. And I'm sure I've barely touched all the things it can do. David Pogue published a pretty thorough test other day:

https://pogueman.substack.com/p/125-tests-of-the-new-ai-siri

nunez 18 hours ago||
Siri AI is very capable, but *I* should have control over when and whether *I* decide to enable or completely delete it.

I wasn't expecting Apple to force-feed the AI into my mouth with this new Siri release, but turning "Apple Intelligence" into "Siri AI" and removing the opt-out toggle is gross.

(You can't disable all of other fka Apple Intelligence stuff without disabling Siri AI, and you can't disable Siri AI without switching your Siri language to an unsupported region and turning a bunch of stuff off in Content Privacy and Restrictions. On Watch, Siri is front and center of your Suggested Apps carousel --- which they removed Recent Apps to create, an extremely useful feature --- unless you change YOUR ENTIRE WATCH'S REGION to some other unsupported country. None of this is okay.)

Anecdotally, I can do all of the stuff you've listed can be done without Siri AI or "Classic" Siri and get correct answers almost 100% of the time.

m463 18 hours ago|||
Like all macos features you used to like/depend on...

"privacy is a right"

becomes

privacy is a "defaults write <obscure-key>"

lynndotpy 16 hours ago||||
As a side note, the Apple Watch changes have completely made Camera Remote unusable for me, a feature I loved.

I don't know why, but I usually can only get Camera Remote to work when I close all of the recent apps on my Apple Watch, even when my watch and phone were the newest ones Apple released. Probably a bug with memory management they're never going to fix. Now, that's not possible, even when I reboot my watch :(

II2II 14 hours ago||||
I agree that you should have the ability to remove AI features, but that isn't the direction Apple has followed for the past decade or so. There's a lot of stuff in macOS that one should be able to remove, or at least disable, if one isn't interested in living within the Apple ecosystem.
solarkraft 12 hours ago|||
> Anecdotally, I can do all of the stuff you've listed can be done without Siri AI or "Classic" Siri and get correct answers almost 100% of the time

You mean the way that takes 20x as long?

coldtea 23 minutes ago|||
The one that is almost just as fast workflow wise, far more capable, has more features, is developed at a faster pace, and is not forced on the user screwing their privacy.
nunez 7 hours ago|||
Better for it to take 20x as long and be right than to be 20x faster but be wrong while looking right...
brailsafe 9 hours ago|||
I get that these are things you might do regularly and feel more empowered to use Siri for them... but they're rather banal and could be done with literally a one or two step process previously, especially if you're already using Apple's first-party apps which seem to be a requirement here. In both email cases, Spotlight handles searches like that just fine, and moving a calendar event only requires clicking and dragging.

I'm here wondering why so much extra space is warranted, or how to take it back, not so much how I can find a document with specific text in it or use Siri to do something else that was already very easy.

One task I'm wondering about is for example, asking Siri (on the mac) to analyze a huge dump of arbitrary PDFs that may or may not have non-OCRed text in them, and efficiently reorg and rename them based on what the documents should be. This also seems like a mundane task, but requires a little more than just a standard search and would allow someone to take their entire paper archive of private business documents and create a digital archive without too much risk or work. This is something that all local models I've tried so far really struggle with.

hbn 16 minutes ago||
I don't know which Spotlight search you've been using but it certainly has not been consistent and reliable in years.

And I don't find manually searching for emails to find something like flight dates that easy. I've flown to/from Mexico city 6 times in the past couple years, and the airline tends to send like 12 emails pertaining to every trip I book, so asking Siri is much faster.

Not to mention these are tasks I'll be able to do in winter while wearing gloves.

lynndotpy 16 hours ago|||
Our experiences diverge surprisingly far. The new Siri was worse for everything I use it for before I turned it off.

The new Siri can not reliably return the weather (it seems it's prompting on the literal text of the town and asks for a clarification sometimes about whether I am in the United States or United Kingdom), and when I ask "what is the air quality index", the new Siri would sometimes return the definition of AQI. When it returns a value, new Siri would hallucinate an incorrect and fixed value. In the cases where it does work, it's very much slower than the classic "rainbow orb" Siri.

hbn 14 minutes ago||
I've never even tried to ask Siri about the weather because I have a widget for that to the left of my homescreen. And it's on my watch.
crossroadsguy 8 hours ago|||
> I'll say they definitely need to let people disable/offload the model

If you have used mac/iOS (esp. Mac; well, because on iOS you can't do anything other than what's on screen essentially) for a long time you might realise Apple, at this point, is simply not capable of even developing those features that will allow users to do such things. And you don't even have to know Swift/objC for this sad realisation. I am pretty sure someone would have mentioned and they'd have realised it meant moving around a million hardcoded modules and frameworks and turning on/off a billion flags (a lot of them potentially global). They are that incompetent when it comes to software.

alwillis 19 hours ago|||
A couple of things I've done with Apple Intelligence on the Mac:

* When I need a prescription refilled, the quickest way is to message my doctor using the patient portal. I created a Shortcut that lets me pick among 5 medications; Apple Intelligence then generates a message with the request to the clipboard which I paste into the message field and send.

* I have a Shortcut that creates a morning summary: Apple Intelligence generates the weather report. I also get what’s on today's calendar and any current or past-due Reminders.

Just scratching the surface here; will flesh these out more later and create some new ones now that I'm running the release version of Golden Gate and not the beta.

vinni2 19 hours ago|||
Not sure if I want Siri to know my prescription medication.
alwillis 17 hours ago||
> Not sure if I want Siri to know my prescription medication.

Using Shortcuts, a user can use the Cloud model via Private Cloud Compute, the Cloud Pro with "world knowledge, and the on-device model. It occurred to me I probably don't need the Cloud; I switched to the on-device model, which worked fine.

There's no way for Siri or anybody else to know anything about a transaction using Private Cloud Compute:

    We designed Private Cloud Compute to make several guarantees about
    the way it handles user data [1]:
    
    A user’s device sends data to PCC for the sole, exclusive purpose of
    fulfilling the user’s inference request. PCC uses that data only to
    perform the operations requested by the user. User data stays on the
    PCC nodes that are processing the request only until the response is
    returned. PCC deletes the user’s data after fulfilling the request,
    and no user data is retained in any form after the response is
    returned. User data is never available to Apple — even to staff with
    administrative access to the production service or hardware.

[1]: https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
vinni2 17 hours ago||
I am sorry no amount of assurances from any company is going to make me reveal my medical information to products from any tech company.
alwillis 11 hours ago||
> I am sorry no amount of assurances from any company is going to make me reveal my medical information to products from any tech company.

Unlike your insurance provider or credit card company, which keep your prescription details, Apple Intelligence deletes the data once you receive a response—a fact Apple could verify if necessary.

It appears I did not need the cloud; my prescription information stayed on my iPhone to create the request, thanks to the Apple Foundation models running locally.

vinni2 9 hours ago||
Luckily I live in a country with universal healthcare and our pharmacies don’t transmit prescription medication info to credit cards. They just show some prescription medication was purchased
pseudosaid 7 hours ago||
what a cute anecdote. much success to your assurances
hbn 18 hours ago|||
The Apple Intelligence Shortcuts creation is great as well. I never had a desire to learn their visual programming language so I mostly ignored Shortcuts. Now it's one-shot some really handy utilities for me.
zahlman 15 hours ago|||
> "What was the quote for my insurance claim?" - it'll look through your emails and pull the number with the source email so you can jump right to it.

> The other day I asked "when did I arrive and leave Mexico City on my trip at the end of 2024?" and it nailed it based off my flight receipt.

Where you see convenience, I see a security nightmare.

EricE 14 hours ago|||
How? It's all on machine. Which is the point.
Terr_ 10 hours ago||
Doing inference locally is a significant improvement, but other issues remain, like prompt injection and data exfiltration.

Especially if the whole point is to have it search through a giant pile of arbitrary un-vetted stuff, like all the emails you ever received from anybody.

browningstreet 14 hours ago||||
Why, factoring in the design of Apple Intelligence?
kdkdkwjdjwkd 13 hours ago|||
He says, browsing the Internet, probably with a Google account.
CursedSilicon 10 hours ago||
(Whispering) multiple things can, in fact, be bad
odkdkwjdiwjd 8 hours ago||
(speaking normally, as this is the internet and not an orchestra) No one said, in fact, that they couldn’t
CursedSilicon 5 hours ago||
Why do you keep making burners?
alwillis 20 hours ago|||
Posted: "Turn off and restrict access to Apple Intelligence features on Mac" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49790409

Not a bad list from Apple.

Merad 19 hours ago||
Is it able to work with non default apps like Gmail?
hbn 18 hours ago||
Not the Gmail app, but a Gmail account, yes. You have to at least have the default Mail app installed and signed in for it to be able to index the emails.
jtbayly 22 hours ago||
Yeah, I’ll wait to update my computers until Apple gives us an actual choice.
drooopy 20 hours ago||
I still don't see a good reason to upgrade from Sequoia.
plutokras 19 hours ago||
I was skipping Tahoe too after seeing all those posts about the differently rounded corners.

This time I took the plunge and upgraded, and I have to admit the whole system, especially Safari is much more snappy than before.

kristofferR 21 hours ago|||
macOS 27 is way faster and more stable than macOS 26 though, so unless you are on an ancient version it doesn't make sense to not upgrade.
kqp 12 hours ago|||
Calling something cutting edge one year ago “ancient” is absolutely wild. To me that word means, like, pre Apple Silicon.
ChrisRR 2 hours ago||
Ancient to me means like OSX Tiger
compiler-guy 16 hours ago||||
Being short on disk space is a pretty good reason to not upgrade.

I would rather keep my personal picture library on my local disk (with backups, of course) than gigabytes and gigabytes of Apple models.

They were the ones who thought that 256Gb was a reasonable number. And it actually did work pretty well, until they wanted to fill it with models.

jtbayly 20 hours ago||||
On one of my machines, I don’t know if I could even make it fit. So it’s a no-brainer to not update on that one, if they are going to force an extra 14GB download on me.
seam_carver 21 hours ago||||
macOS 15 still gets security updates.
includenotfound 15 hours ago||
That's what I use on my M1 Macbook Air too, works fine.
CodingJeebus 21 hours ago|||
I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. It's not no-brainer update yet, IMO.
alwillis 19 hours ago|||
> I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27.

Lucky for us, macOS 27.2 is already in beta: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/21/apple-seeds-macos-27-2-...

platevoltage 19 hours ago|||
It keeps putting my left mounted dock on the wrong monitor for some reason. never happened before.
wahnfrieden 21 hours ago|||
Time to permanently offboard from Apple ecosystem then
jtbayly 21 hours ago||
Perhaps eventually. I know I’m in a “closed ecosystem,” and that removes a fair bit of choice in a variety of places. But Apple is known to walk bad decisions back at times. This update is an example, with liquid glass. Another recent one was the iCloud private email planned domain change being scrapped.
bee_rider 20 hours ago|||
I mean they added a slider to make Liquid Glass slightly less bad, but the “good” end is just the old “reduce transparency” option. They’ve got a lot of progress to make, if they are ever going to give us back the pre-liquid-glass UI density.
wahnfrieden 20 hours ago|||
Liquid Glass was rushed out because their flagship WWDC feature, Apple Intelligence, wasn’t ready as expected. They knew they didn’t finish refining Glass as they had intended to. They had unfinished work with Glass that got pushed to this year due to the last minute change in direction. The refinements we got weren’t only the product of feedback and they already intended to revisit the design.

This situation is a bit different where they’ve taken several years delay now to refine their AI strategy before releasing it.

If they let users permanently opt out of their AI rollouts this early on, their stock will plummet. They’re going to focus on making it better to drive adoption and value instead of letting people remove themselves from exposure to what they have in the pipeline.

sleepybrett 21 hours ago|||
why is a local model any different than any other file they want to install with their os?
hbn 21 hours ago|||
Well because it could be an extra ~20GB which is not nothing if you have a 256GB disk.
SkyeCA 19 hours ago||||
By that logic why not fill the hard drive with OS data? This is a company mind you that still sells some laptops with a base configuration of 256GB, so 10-20GB isn't an insignificant amount to many users especially when it's taken by a feature they may not even use.
njovin 21 hours ago||||
It's 14GB of something I don't want, need, nor have any use for, on a machine that is notorious for making storage upgrades difficult.
soapdog 21 hours ago||||
because some people don't want AI and would rather even the files were not present in their computer.
compiler-guy 16 hours ago||
I do want (some, carefully curated as to certain usecases) AI. But I don't want to waste my diskspace for this AI.
alwillis 19 hours ago|||
Friendly reminder:

Many apps (like dictation apps) ship with their own models totally separate from Apple Intelligence.

For example, Co-Typist [1] is very useful, but it requires a model installed with it, ranging from Gemma 3 1B at 0.8 GB to Gemma 4 26B A4B Pro at 15.7 GB. It recommended Gemma E2B (3.2 GB) for my 16 GB, M1 Pro MacBook Pro.

It works really well; the autocompletion is so good, it knows what I'm going to type before I do!

Here's the thing: you may not be aware of the amount of storage being used by models in various 3rd-party apps.

The open-source app What The Model [2] scans your machine and reports all the models it finds and gives you the total amount of storage being used.

[1]: https://cotypist.app

[2]: https://github.com/powtac/wtm

worldsavior 21 hours ago||
Though what about security fixes?
happyopossum 17 hours ago||
Worth pointing out that the Foundational Models can be used by more than just Siri - apps, shortcuts, etc can call/run those models for local inference.
jleehn 18 hours ago||
Tangentially related, I've always been frustrated by Apple's refusal to allow sorting photos/videos by file size. It feels like a blatant push to force users towards paying for their cloud storage.
bdavbdav 16 hours ago|
Not ideal, but their disk space recovery thing in settings can do I believe.
ebtebt 21 hours ago||
How much storage does this save?
fuu_dev 21 hours ago||
Apple intelligence is listed as 29 GB in the Storage settings. Which should be the amount of space you get back.

MacOS 27 is also diffrent in that it does still downloads the data for EU users and removes or hides options in menues to dissable functionality. This means users lose the said space when upgrading to 27.

fundatus 21 hours ago||
Apple Intelligence is available on macOS in the EU. It's only disabled on iOS/iPadOS.
CharlesW 21 hours ago||
Interestingly, Siri AI was able to answer this with a reference: Up to 14 GB. https://imgur.com/a/SZGh1ca
iAMkenough 20 hours ago|||
That's not a reliable source or reference. Read the disclaimer at the bottom.
alwillis 19 hours ago|||
> That's not a reliable source or reference. Read the disclaimer at the bottom.

The "Always verify important details. Siri is an Al that may make mistakes." is the new version of "your mileage may vary".

Also, I get a similar message when using Gemini, OpenAI and Claude.

I own a "Standard iPhone" and an M1 Mac; these numbers track.

VCFundedGenYer 17 hours ago||
LLMs are not sources.
halJordan 14 hours ago||
Keep tilting at windmills. Wikipedia was also not a source
CharlesW 20 hours ago|||
Yes, I'd sanity-checked the answer on my machine, which is 15.5 GB on iOS 27.2: https://imgur.com/a/XVT8rme

Not all of the space used by Apple Intelligence is downloaded model size, which explains the reasonable difference.

iAMkenough 20 hours ago||
Your reality is yours, not mine. https://imgur.com/a/3viouLd

I'm not upset, just pointing out TweakTown gave Apple's AI misleading information about Apple's products. You might have 30GB of wasted space on your 128GB drive due to Apple Intelligence features on your Mac (like me).

CharlesW 19 hours ago|||
Apologies, I didn't mean to upset you. Per the title I was talking about the downloaded core model sizes, which are a bit under 8 GB or 14 GB in OS 27 depending on device: https://support.apple.com/en-us/121115
lotsofpulp 23 hours ago||
This type of stuff gives me PTSD flashbacks from trying timo de-crapify Windows.
VCFundedGenYer 20 hours ago||
They need an option to completely disable and delete Apple Intelligence.

A 256GB Mac Mini is effectively unable to use macOS 27 due to this bloated nonsense.

viccis 19 hours ago|
Yeah I use my 256gb Mac Mini for iOS dev, which has always had enough space for an iPad and iPhone simulator with plenty to spare, but this eats way into that.
5555watch 17 hours ago||
If Siri and Apple Intelligence is disabled in the settings, does it still do the download?
thih9 22 hours ago|
Off topic. Since old.reddit is now login walled - is there an alternative frontend?
wrxd 21 hours ago||
If you are interested in read-only access pick one a Redlib instance https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib-instances/blob/main/ins...
VCFundedGenYer 20 hours ago|||
Use "Old Reedit Redirect" for Firefox - it still lets you in without a login.
thisislife2 16 hours ago||
If you meant this extension - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/old-reddit-re... - it doesn't work. I still get the javascript crappified "new" Reddit.
thescriptkiddie 21 hours ago||
safereddit.com
jawilson2 10 minutes ago||
Is there a version of this that uses more than 10% of my horizontal screen space? I have a 40in monitor, I don't need the website compressed to the aspect ratio of a phone.
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