> On that note, one way we can prevent it is to assert that all our content is byte-for-byte identical with the last known trusted stage of what we have produced
That doesn't help with things like the typical use of SynthID where the spymarking is done by the same process generating the content, so there is never a clean comparator. (It also wouldn't be useful anytime it is inplemented as part of a transformation—compression, etc. —step, for the same reason.)
This has been going on for a while with Facebook. They seem to embed custom metadata tags so that images shared outside the platform can be traced back:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31120222/iptc-metadata-a...
Stop using links instead of words. Your comment is literally unreadable without going on to other websites.
:D
(Edit: hmm, without the "https://" it seems to depend on the browsers ability to recognise a URL.)
What will be the next? I will be unable to see the domain of a link on hover/longtap and have to trust random links like on a search engine?
MUTINY against hn!
Or... add some noise. Just align the last bit of every pixel channel with a random bit sequence - and Bob's your uncle.
First the low-end laptops and phones (and probably later, most of them) will incorporate some low-level driver that is constantly scanning for these and passing them to a helper app to phone home. I assume this is something Apple will, to their credit, refuse to do[1] but I don't think other OEMs will have any qualms based on what they already do with their TVs.
[1] (though they don't do this kind of thing out of altruism, but because their cash cow is app store rents and fat hardware margins, not third-party advertising.)
It’s your choice if you believe them or not, I like Apple and I wouldn’t use that feature.
The pretending that this is the same thing, that Apple is sneaking something past you when they’re showing you that they’re trying to do it right is a bad faith argument.
Even if you trust them, maybe as an user you can be ok with that. As a non-user who will talk with people wearing Apple Watches, I disagree being recorded and my conversations with the watch owner summarized.
Where do I disagree for that ?
e.g. Johnny's accused of something white collar, did he ever make any prompts that suggest how early on he was aware of {X} and further indicate how he moved to frame it?
That's a requirement that varies by country.
They’re asserting that all the audio is done on device, and the results of encrypted so they can’t access them even from the backups.
Unlike… EVERY… other tech company, it is in Apple’s interest to be privacy-focused.
Even if you just have to believe them, which you do pretty much, they’re the biggest name pushing for privacy in the world right now. They make more on selling devices than they make on ads and behaviors. It’s in their interest to not lie.
Of course, at that point it depends on how much you trust their PCC.
But make no mistake, Apple itself is an ad company and that sets all the incentives that matter.
Oh, really?
I think you may have an outdated view here
But fuck it, just brand all our brains with "SLA Industries".(fictional dystopian corporation ruling future)
I still use IRC on the daily, but someone mentions Discord at least once a month on there, and sometimes tries to whisk people away to that side. There are also people hooking up LLMs to IRC bots and joining them to channels without permission, then when you complain or kick/ban their bot you're somehow treated as the rude one. It's very hard to entirely get away from all the crap anymore.
So I’m not writing off tech as a whole just the adtech companies being a lost cause.
Digital Rights Management isn't just about restricting what you can do with the content, which is often futile anyway. Another way companies can manage their rights is by making sure pirates are properly identified and caught.
Like it choose between "winding" and "curving" but there are many uses of curving that probably can't be replaced with "winding" like "her gently curving thighs" with "her gently winding thighs"
But I'm sure there are some intricacies I don't understand. Anyway, very cool website, thanks for sharing it~!
TrojanStego: https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.20118 Improvement: https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.09411
You can’t definitively prove the absence of a watermark. You can only prove the watermark is there. Once you do prove it’s there, the thing that carries the watermark changes in some way — it is “burned” or tainted?
There must be value in having a visible vs an invisible watermark, or in declaring that a work is watermarked without revealing the hidden mark, or having two marks — one that is publicly verifiable and another that is hidden?
If the process itself can be defeated through adding entropy (or more generally by revealing the watermark algorithm) then is that not security through obscurity, which is to say it is a one-shot rather than a general system that is doomed to become obsolete over time?
Something feels off about a technology based on being hidden but whose only value is in being revealed but I feel dumb for not being able to be more specific about what feels wrong! It could simply be that anyone who can verify the presence of the watermark also now has a tool to tell them when they’ve successfully scrubbed the watermark off the work, so the verify tool has to be kept secret which in turn limits its usefulness.
I spent half a day messing around with it and I was very impressed by how robust it is. I couldn't get OpenAI to stop detecting their own SynthID without completely trashing the image.
The closest thing I found to "defeating" SynthID was to put in a normal photograph and ask ChatGPT to make some utterly trivial edit, and then the output got flagged with SynthID even though it is essentially an unmodified photograph.
It's a shame however, how low quality and vibecoded the live examples are. The first example says "Toy example; not SynthID.", the second one is a generic spectrogram and the third one has an identification space too small to be useful (173 in decimal). I was hoping to see more realistic scenarios to learn how these new watermarks are being applied, instead of generic steganography.
How do you spymark text that someone else wrote? You can't change the words or they'd notice
Text the whistleblower only reports on, well, if they got it from a computer system, there's already precedent of altering word choices, typos and punctuation in e-mails and memos to create unique per-recipient or per-recipient-group versions, which allows companies to trace leaked transcripts reported by press back to source of the leak.