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Posted by ksec 1 day ago

Grammarly will send unhinged messages to all your users if you try to cancel(www.reddit.com)
383 points | 103 commentspage 2
ras1k 1 day ago|
I never liked grammarly. It feels like spam.
Walf 1 day ago|
It's a keylogger.
margalabargala 1 day ago||
Google docs is a keylogger.
Walf 10 hours ago||
Only within the web page that's running it. Grammarly is often installed to the system and slurps up whatever it can, even when you haven't explicitly told it to. I think this was the article that illustrated its untrustworthiness: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30470457
jurf 1 day ago||
Sad to see this. We had student licenses at our university for writing theses and I thoroughly enjoyed it, even as an (ex)native speaker. Felt more like working with an editor than the “helpful coworker” vibe of current AI tools.

Never understood their browser integration though, ugh. Scanning private messages was already a bad look, I shouldn’t be surprised…

thih9 1 day ago||
This is extreme short sightedness.

We have no proof but it feels like someone asked Claude how to reduce churn and picked an option.

I guess consumers are going to have to “push back” often in the near future.

nottorp 1 day ago||
Slack notifies all admins of a workspace if a payment failed :)

But then it's only admins, not all users, and it may make sense in case the workspace owner is distracted/incapacitated etc.

What ruins the "we care about your workspace" part though is how the message is phrased as a threat. Fail to pay and you'll lose acces to this and that and that other thing...

joshstrange 1 day ago|
Slack tries to sell to employees as well though, there are feature CTAs I see all the time trying to get me to express interest so they can tell the admin/owner of the account "Your employees want this feature, pay us more money".

I find it incredibly disrespectful.

aitchnyu 10 hours ago||
I took Grammarly's side, since we used a few SaaS and the CFO (small company for context) revoked access and we had to beg him. Reading the comments about multiple SaaS annoying end users changed my mind.
lapinovski 1 day ago||
They must be desperate
rdudek 1 day ago||
So does anybody actually have a good alternative to Grammarly?
davidee 17 hours ago||
It depends on what you mean by “good alternative”.

We use a self-hosted OSS LanguageTool server that's containerized and runs in a private, on-prem cluster to provide good performance and be HA, but it only works on our corporate network or when using a VPN connection while roaming/remote.

It's incredibly reliable.

It's also devoid of AI/LLM bullshit for writing. Spelling and grammar rules, a few notes about long sentences, that's it.

However, LanguageTool nerfs their other plugins (like mail plugins) to require a subscription service.

I've pleaded with them for years to please allow me to pay a subscription price but use our internal server simply because we don't want/need a spelling/grammar tool to send content to the cloud.

We don't want free. We want private.

The odd thing is that the official LanguageTool browser plugins DO allow use of a self-hosted LanguageTool server; clearly it's doable. There's a poorly maintained obsidian plugin that also works(ish). But that's about it.

We live with these limitations.

bpiche 1 day ago|||
Grammarly itself is basically a closed-source version of LanguageTool https://github.com/languagetool-org/languagetool
creaturemachine 1 day ago|||
Properly funded public education.
rickydroll 1 day ago|||
A properly funded education works only if you pair it with writing practice and continued correction of grammatical errors that creep in as you develop writing habits. A properly funded education doesn't fix grammatical errors caused by language-processing deficits. Tools like Grammarly give the language-deficient writer more confidence and willingness to write. To me, they are as essential as a spell checker.

A properly funded public education doesn't cover speech-recognition-driven errors. I've talked about this before, but when you write using speech recognition, you need to shift from speaking spoken speech to speaking written speech.

Spoken speech is very sloppy with grammar. We forgive a tremendous amount of detail, forgive a lot of errors because we're focused on what they are saying, not how they are saying it. Grammarly also catches speech-recognition errors.

The usual retort is that one should spend more energy on proofreading your writing; many speech recognition users come to understand that your brain sees what you said, not what's on the page. The fix is to stick your writing in a drawer long enough to forget what you wrote, which isn't a great plan when you need an email in 5 minutes.

So, if not Grammarly, what?

foxrider 1 day ago||
LanguageTool
rickydroll 1 day ago||
Thanks for the reference. I'm trying it out now, and I'll see how well it works over the following days, but assuming it works right for me, I'll probably ditch my Grammarly subscription and go to this package (assuming it's a saner company).

Just went through my first corrections, and I think I like it. It isn't as aggressive as Grammarly, and I have mixed feelings about that, as I thought Grammarly did improve my writing, clarity, and presentation. It also feels easier to learn by example and reinforce better grammar from the start.

I tried out the AI rewrite, and man, it hits the uncanny valley hard.

---- Below is the above corrected by grammarly

Thanks for the reference. I'm trying it out now and will see how well it works over the next few days, but if it works for me, I'll probably ditch my Grammarly subscription and switch to this package (assuming it's a saner company).

Just went through my first corrections, and I think I like it. It isn't as aggressive as Grammarly, and I have mixed feelings about that, since I thought Grammarly improved my writing, clarity, and presentation. It also feels easier to learn by example and reinforce better grammar from the start.

I tried out the AI rewrite, and man, it hits the uncanny valley hard.

[Edit: Corrected a sentence that was missed by both Grammarly and LanguageTool. See if you can figure out which one it was]

brachkow 1 day ago|||
This very shortsighted opinion. Because:

1. Not remotely everyone properly educated will be able to write properly due to personal/health traits

2. Not remotely everyone speaks English as a native tongue

3. Most people in the world speak languages of a different family (and grammar) than English

officeplant 1 day ago|||
I have a grammar book, and my old AP style guide from college on my desk to ward off the evil spirits of spyware add-ons.
sksksk 1 day ago||
i wonder how much of this is a consequence of AI...

Most analytics tools have the ability to create segments (for example, you could create a group of users who are part of an account that is not going to renew their plan).

And then they have the ability to send emails and notifications to users in a segment.

I wonder how much companies are running agents with access to their analytics tools, and letting them build their own campaigns.

I asked ChatGPT to design a campaign to reduce churn for a SaaS like Grammarly, and it came up with a very similar idea.

krautburglar 1 day ago||
Their whole operation seems like some sort of five-eyes information proboscis. If AI is putting them out of business, good.
idle_zealot 1 day ago|
They are an AI business, just a more focused one. The creepy information gathering, the way it blandifies output and encourages reliance over building communication and language skills, it's all the same problems frontier companies have writ small. Their lunch is being eaten by bigger fish and they're shamelessly trying to remain relevant. This will not result in any less spying or bad behavior.
sublinear 1 day ago||
I'm more surprised that anyone was still using grammarly in the first place.
exe34 1 day ago|
I have a rule, if I hear an advert that I didn't search for on any video site, I say "fuck off <company name>" to ensure I form a negative association with the brand. I've definitely heard "grammarly" far too many times to ever spend a penny on them.
fortran77 1 day ago|
Same vibes as ‘Tell your parents “I want to go to Mt. Splashmore”’
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