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Posted by daveoc64 7 hours ago

F-Droid 2.0(f-droid.org)
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henearkr 3 hours ago|
Since this made into HN first page, I've been trying to find the APK of this version 2.0...

Am I missing something stupid?

Lammy 2 hours ago|
e: my bad, was on desktop and didn't actually try it on my phone (I use Droid-ify anyway)
henearkr 1 hour ago|||
Thank you, but this APK is not the v2.0.
luoc 1 hour ago|||
mhm, that's just loading v1 for me
einpoklum 57 minutes ago||
1. Nice! :-)

2. Please donate a few EUR/bucks to F-Droid! It's a good place to get Android apps from, and we can't all just mooch off of it. Doesn't have to be a big donation.

3. I am worried that Alpahbet/Google will kill these "unauthorized" apps soon, so that the new version arriving would be kind of bittersweet. Although - maybe I'll just need to switch to LineageOS or something.

hobo123 3 hours ago||
Is it not available yet? Fdroid doesn't update, and downloading and re installing leaves me with the usual app.

Still, excited for when it'll be ready.

AdmiralAsshat 4 hours ago||
I hope the new redesign makes the store easier to navigate on TVs. It's a nightmare trying to install/update apps on F-Droid on either my Nvidia Shield Pro or my Onn 4K TV using the tv remote. The cursor gets lost all the time and it's often impossible to see what option is currently in focus when you click Ok on the remote.
opan 7 minutes ago||
I just hook up one of those mini Rii keyboards for navigating phone-centric apps on Android TV, but better remote support would be nice as well.
NewJazz 4 hours ago||
Have you filed a bug? That's niche enough that i wouldn't necessarily expect the devs to have tested such scenarios.
juiceland 6 hours ago||
For people who are die-hard F Droid users, do you get all your apps from it? I have tried in the past but it seemed like even when I restricted my use to basics it was missing things I needed to make my phone feel useful. Wonder if it has gotten better.
miloignis 6 hours ago||
Most of them, yeah. My main non-F-Droid apps are YT-Music, Google Maps, Duo auth, Bible, and my bank app. Firefox, podcasts, local music player, ebook reader, RSS reader, email client, Matrix client, XMPP client, audiobook player, calendar sync, KeePassDX, SyncThing, Nix terminal, etc are all F-Droid.
mzajc 6 hours ago|||
Yes, essentially. I do have the Guardian Project repository and I get a handful of applications from the Play Store (via Aurora Store), but everything else comes from F-Droid. If you want even more, you can add the IzzyOnDroid repository[0], but bear in mind that unlike F-Droid, applications are built by developers themselves, and the rules on FOSS-only licensing are less strict.

[0]: https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/

lanfeust6 6 hours ago||
does Aurora still work? Last few times I tried, I couldn't install anything.
Wicher 6 hours ago|||
It did yesterday, for me. Sometimes it doesn't work for a while and the dev needs some time catching up to what Google deliberately or inadvertently or indifferently put in the way of access to the place where apps are published (and they are published there, not because app creators deliberately chose Google out of many app distributors in some healthy competitive market; there is no choice).

The Aurora project accepts donations, if you want to hurry things along some time! And they have a donation button right there in the app listing, try doing that for yourapp in the PlayStore and see who comes knocking in 3...2..1 to make you a non-person.

tukunjil 6 hours ago|||
Last used yesterday found no problem to install random application.
NoboruWataya 6 hours ago|||
What do you find is missing? The main apps I need Google Play for are apps that are tied to a specific company or government service (eg, banking apps, or HMRC). For pretty much all basic functions I think F-Droid does the job.
HeatrayEnjoyer 3 hours ago||
Store and restaurant apps, discord, streaming apps, most games, payment apps, apps for school, ride-sharing. I tried the "degoogle" way and tossed after two days because that's impossible unless you're willing to adopt a more expensive boomer/millennial lifestyle.
flexagoon 3 hours ago||
Aside from payment apps, you can (and probably should) just use the web browser for most of those things
tgsovlerkhgsel 3 hours ago|||
I only use it to install the apps that aren't available on the Play store (e.g. Öffi, an excellent public transit app that gave up on dealing with the Play store after one too many arbitrary removals, Termux, and NewPipe).

The user experience was just too broken for too long to consider it usable (didn't support background updates for about two years after Google made it available, and generally just too much jank and random errors/failures). I might look into it the next time I'm setting up a device, but I think for the majority of apps I'll still go through the Play store - I don't trust F-Droid to be stable/reliable enough yet.

someonebaggy 4 hours ago|||
Fossify Clock has the best accidental feature: when your alarm is going off, there's no way to stop it except for unlocking your phone, opening the app, finding the current alarm in the list of alarms, and disabling it.

This means you're definitely awake.

I'm being sarcastic.

QuantumNomad_ 6 hours ago|||
I have a slow, crappy tablet I bought on Temu.

It is not my main device, nor even my secondary device. It’s basically just a device I bought for cheap hoping that maybe I was lucky and it was actually pretty snappy. It’s not snappy :(

I occasionally watch a couple of YouTube videos on it and read a couple of HN posts on it, when my phone is out of battery or when I’m doing a backup of my phone and have left the phone on the table for that.

Anyway, aside from YouTube the other apps I have installed on it myself are all from F-Droid, including the DuckDuckGo browser that I use on it. I also have Signal on it, which I don’t remember if I installed from F-Droid or from Google Play.

My main device that I actually use a lot is an iPhone. And like I said I basically only use the tablet like a couple of hours a week and only to watch a couple of YouTube videos and read a couple HN threads, when I am not able to use my phone for those things.

demo4567 6 hours ago|||
I do, but then there is aurora store on f-droid for the gplay only apps.
someonebaggy 4 hours ago||
Note it doesn't work very well, and Graphene recommends using Graphene's sandboxed Play Store instead.
Aachen 3 hours ago||
Aurora works fine for me, and Google's software needn't chug along in a background sandbox no matter if all it can do is install apps, ping back to the mothership what your IP address currently is, and act as a proxy for other apps whose direct internet access you try to deny
sandreas 6 hours ago|||
No... I use a combination of Aurora, Obtainium and F-Droid.

Unfortunately there are APP providers actively preventing their apps to work on graphene OS, so i own an extra use@home cheap broken glass iphone for these mandatory but non-graphene apps.

It is a pain and it is getting worse... I'm really tempted to get back to the Apple ecosystem for less shens but currently i cannot do this yet... It just feels wrong but the pain is real. I'm Lösung the fight of investing too mich of my time in things that just should work.

morteify 41 minutes ago||
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silverbluep 6 hours ago|||
I use droid-ify as frontend; and it's been fine to use f-droid repos for most of my needs. I try to install my apps from there in general. Biggest issue for me is android auto capability usually requires the app to be installed from play store (CoMaps) and my music player app (GoneMAD) has a companion unlocker that is from paid app store.

I need banking and bunch of vendor related apps. I need play store for them; so not full on f-droid repos. But close-ish when it comes to phone functionality.

fghkjlhb 6 hours ago|||
No I have Obtainium side by side with F-Droid. There are some closed source apps or apps that are not published on F-Droid (like Wireguard) that unfortunately I need. Obtainium is great for that.
Gander5739 5 hours ago||
What features does the wireguard app have that alternatives like WG Tunnel or KabelWacht lack?
fghkjlhb 4 hours ago||
I didn't know those apps existed.
rurp 6 hours ago|||
Similar experience for me. I find f-droid a great supplement store but cutting out the default store entirely has felt like more of a commitment than I'm interested in so far.
drnick1 6 hours ago|||
I wouldn't use F-Droid exclusively. Many apps can simply be downloaded from their respective webpages. GrapheneOS also has also its own very basic app store.
rhamzeh 6 hours ago|||
FDroid offers the guarantee that the apk was built from source, and at least some marginal safety in terms of having passed their security and analytics/ads checkers.

You lose all that if you go directly to source.

fghkjlhb 4 hours ago|||
Obtainium makes it easy to download apps directly from their webpages. Many of them have ready configurations you can simply add: https://apps.obtainium.imranr.dev/
vrganj 6 hours ago||
When I need some category of app - say a note app or an audiobook player - I generally check F-Droid first.

If there's a good enough app on there, I generally stick with that as opposed to trying what Google Play has to offer.

I like having that prefiltering, knowing that the app will be open source, not trying to pull anything shady and not have ads or sell my data. On the Play Store, more often than not, at least one of those is not true.

Dwedit 1 hour ago||
Can I finally block those bible apps?
amiga386 2 hours ago||
Great! But why hasn't 2.0 installed automatically on all devices that already have F-Droid?

- go to F-Droid -> Updates. "Congratulations! Your apps are up to date."

- refresh the repositories. "Congratulations! Your apps are up to date."

- search directly for f-droid in apps. "This app was built for an older version of Android and cannot be updated automatically."

*facepalm* never change, F-Droid. You might not be able to automatically update the app because of Android API restrictions, but there's no reason your app can't tell me it knows there's an updated version I could be asked to apply manually, is there?

EDIT: it still says version 1.23.2 is "Suggested" even when 2.0 is installed. Perhaps this is a reason? Nonetheless, there's no setting to choose a different version policy, i.e. install 2.0 because it's newer, even if not "Suggested"

What does "Suggested" even mean? According to https://forum.f-droid.org/t/how-does-f-droid-suggest-a-versi... it's set manually by the person maintaining the metadata, which makes it even more of a facepalm if F-Droid are announcing 2.0 on their homepage but nobody set CurrenVersion=2.0 in their own metadata.

luoc 1 hour ago||
According to the post they only start to roll this out now, gradually...
warkdarrior 58 minutes ago||
The beauty of open source is that you can build your own version of F-Droid that works the way you want. See https://github.com/f-droid/fdroidclient
zephiel7 7 hours ago||
This is very good to see. Classic F-Droid always seemed to fail at updating repos at least every week or so.
RicoElectrico 6 hours ago|
Repo timestamp expected blah blah... toast coming out of nowhere is such a bad design. Really, the architecture in which you absolutely have to download the multi-MB index is as well.
mzajc 6 hours ago||
> Also, F-Droid Privileged Extension (FPE) is not currently supported by 2.0. That means even if FPE is installed, F-Droid 2.0 won’t use it. This overhaul focused on full featured support for the Android “session” installer. That lets F-Droid run background updates on any recent Android version without requiring FPE. Like with any of the changes here, we welcome feedback.

This is a shame. Is the privileged extension a large maintenance burden?

eighthave 2 hours ago||
When Google added the "session" installer to AOSP, we thought it would replace F-Droid Privileged Extension (FPE). So we stopped development on it. The answer now is that the "session" installer mostly replaces FPE, but not fully. So we're exploring reviving development: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/privileged-extension/-/work_items/...
someonebaggy 4 hours ago|||
I wonder how they got access to the ordinarily Google-locked "session" installer. Did Google open it up because of EU rules? I doubt it.
izacus 3 hours ago||
The support for that was added to Android 14 in 2023: https://developer.android.com/about/versions/14/features#req...

F-Droid took until now to use those APIs.

NewJazz 6 hours ago||
Are you stuck on an older android version?
hexagonwin 4 hours ago||
not the person you replied to, but i'm staying on Android 8 and 11 as long as i can.
NewJazz 2 hours ago|||
How much are you willing to fork?
izacus 3 hours ago|||
You are heard. But what's your point?
aargh_aargh 5 hours ago|
502 Bad Gateway

https://web.archive.org/web/20260924152713/https://f-droid.o...

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