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Posted by ezst 12 hours ago

Breaking Up with Google Play: Why Conversations Is Now Free(gultsch.de)
616 points | 241 commentspage 3
wg0 8 hours ago|
At least in Europe - these rouge corporations need to be reined in or just leave the market.

Google Play's app registration is so much more complicated now that Good Luck getting to production ever.

And even then the same thing on every update. If you're a small business and your livelihood depends on that then it's a nightmare to deal with.

And no, kicking them out won't be a problem. No sky is going to fall. Vacuum would be filled in very quickly.

vachina 9 hours ago||
> This effectively means I’m paying Google more than 1000 Euro per year for their services. 1000 Euro per year is 1.5x what I’m paying for my internet access. It’s roughly what I’m paying for my notebook per year if you assume I use it for three to four years. When my internet breaks, someone drives to my house and fixes it. When my notebook breaks, someone drives to my house and fixes it.

Couldn’t have said better. We all allowed it to come to this.

chii 11 hours ago||
Receiving 1000 euros without having any real work or accountability is the epitome of free profit. No wonder these platform gatekeepers are fighting so hard to maintain it (at the cost of you, the consumer).

And yet people (in general) just dont care, because they don't truly feel the pain until it's too late - issues like privacy and such are like that.

dizhn 8 hours ago|
It's the arrogance. "You wouldn't have made 10 euros if I didn't give you the storefront and the one click install". Unfortunately they are right about this too. Why would they then also provide customer support that costs them money. They have enough "happy" customers as it is. Literally millions of apps are there.
chii 6 hours ago||
so why doesn't this happen on the PC?

The fact is, google engineered their app store to be monopoly, following apple's model (which is also engineered - they had more foresight about it).

There are no good artificial monopolies, and natural monopolies should be regulated to prevent undue influence (and unwarranted profit).

skybrian 11 hours ago||
It makes sense to leave, but it also seems like the overall sentiment would be more positive given the “it paid my rent for many years” part.
Sayrus 11 hours ago||
You rarely leave with a positive sentiment when you felt trapped and abused in the relationship.

> For years I’ve felt like I was in a toxic relationship with Google, and the only reason I stayed was economic dependency.

mitxela 10 hours ago||
Slavery: one party makes you pick cotton or you aren't allowed to eat or sleep.

Not slavery: one party makes you supply widgets or you aren't allowed to eat or sleep. Another party gives you widgets for picking cotton.

We should all be happy to participate in the not slavery society, right? We should all feel great because we aren't slaves.

cpill 3 hours ago||
You should just be able to give them secure access to your git repo and they can get an LLM to do a code review.
ezst 2 hours ago|
Yeah, because the obvious solution to the problem of having too much bots is… more bots.
einpoklum 5 hours ago||
I've used an Android phone for about 10 years now, and I have never once used Google Play.

Yes, Android is a rather Google-ified experience, but there is life outside of Google. Let's live it.

classified 1 hour ago||
> Fuck the gatekeepers.

And the rent seekers.

jan_m_savage 11 hours ago||
"Fortunately, I’m no longer economically dependent on Google Play Store revenue. Google doesn’t deserve me and my money anymore. I’m done. Fuck the gatekeepers."

+1.

0xbadcafebee 8 hours ago||
It's called "Rent-seeking" when a powerful entity extracts wealth without providing any commensurate value.

Google wants you to believe the only way to get an app is through them. They have programmed society to believe this - despite the fact that you have never needed Google to download and run apps on your laptop. Apple also wants you to believe this, which is why they keep making it more impossible to run Mac apps without the Apple Store. They too want to extract your wealth and control you.

FOSS was created because people didn't have a way to cooperate and share the source code for their programs, to let users fix their own problems. Like the "right to repair" but for software. But Apple and Google wouldn't exist in the forms they do today without our FOSS. Our own software is being used to manipulate us, take our money, and take away our freedoms. Ironic.

Maybe it's time for a new software license that does discriminate against the rent seekers. Not because we deserve money when someone uses our free software. But because our freedoms are being trampled by the companies who use our software.

I think we should define that new license, abandon the old projects using the old licenses, and start using new ones. We already did this for Rust tools, I think we can do it for new licenses too.

ptx 4 hours ago|
I think GPLv3 already does this, with its anti-tivoization requirements. People just need to switch to an up-to-date copyleft license rather than permissive licenses.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#Tivoization

shevy-java 9 hours ago|
All these stores, Apple Store, Google etc... must be opened up. They constitute an illegal monopoly. Why does the US government protect monopolies? This is against the core tent of capitalism, aka more competition in a free, open market, to have prices be as low as reasonable possible for the customer. The USA shifted towards de-facto monopolistic mafias. Financial kickbacks to the US government must logically exist here - otherwise one can not explain why the US government works for the interest of mega-corporations only now.

Open ALL stores.

winrid 1 hour ago|
They protect them because they are them. The line between corporations and government is pretty thin these days IMO.
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