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Posted by alvis 5 hours ago

Dots: Always-on agents(openai.com)
408 points | 317 commentspage 2
teekert 5 hours ago|
It's cool. It also is a large tech company getting a bit too close for comfort. I'll start experimenting with stuff like this when I'm convinced "the dot" only has my interest in mind (which includes absolute privacy, as in self-destruct-before-sharing-my-secrets.) I use computers and models to think, my thoughts are my own.
digitaltrees 3 hours ago|
Just build your own. Thats the thing these vendors are forgetting. When they moved in to the app layer and got caught copying customers it became clear that it is dangerous to given them data.

I think people can and should copy the full stack on top of open weights.

rheisen_ 47 minutes ago||
Did build my own, it's way more private. Doesn't have these always on features, does have a lot more unique ones, but give me like two more weeks. That "always on" stuff is so ridiculously simple. https://blackbear.app
digitaltrees 26 minutes ago||
Cool. I did the same. propelcode.app
mvkel 4 hours ago||
My biggest frustration with the frontier AI companies isn't what they're announcing, but that the announced-thing that exists ~6 months later is severely nerfed to reduce compute spend. It doesn't resemble the demo in any way. For example, this was what the 4o voice capability sounded like in 2024(!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYi3Wr7v_g. What exists today pales in comparison.
aabhay 3 hours ago||
100% agree. Every model and launch feel like huge leaps then huge nerfs to the point it doesn’t feel like we’re going anywhere. Especially this year in particular for coding.

However, it is the case that other industries like 3d graphics and so forth have experienced a frontier shift so perhaps there’s still some advancement

sleight42 40 minutes ago||
It's always about increasing monthly active users, locking them in, and then enshittifying to squeeze out profit.

Thanks. I'll stick with self-hosting.

ChaseRensberger 4 hours ago||
not quite dots related but I am surprised by some of the openai negativity in here.

to me they still are the only lab that ships fantastic models that are easily portable to different agentic harnesses. I use my codex subscription 24/7 within opencode and wingman and haven't had any complaints in a long time.

https://v2.opencode.ai https://wingman.actor

exographicskip 2 hours ago||
Didn't know codex was supported in opencode! After anthropic's shenanigans earlier this year I didn't even try to get it working
sleight42 37 minutes ago|||
Right. Except not.

There are plenty of self-hostable models. Hell, there are now model-specific runtimes that make it easy to run big models on consumer hardware. Strata, just a couple days ago released, lets me run Qwen 3.8 Flash Next at home on a single 3090 at 90 tok/s.

So, yeah, I'll be passing on these "labs" walled gardens,

felixgallo 4 hours ago||
'OpenAI has closed many of its safety-focussed teams. Around the time the superalignment team was dissolved, its leaders, Sutskever and Leike, resigned. (Sutskever co-founded a company called Safe Superintelligence.) On X, Leike wrote, “Safety culture and processes have taken a backseat to shiny products.” Soon afterward, the A.G.I.-readiness team, tasked with preparing society for the shock of advanced A.I., was also dissolved. When the company was asked on its most recent I.R.S. disclosure form to briefly describe its “most significant activities,” the concept of safety, present in its answers to such questions on previous forms, was not listed. (OpenAI said that its “mission did not change” and added, “We continue to invest in and evolve our work on safety, and will continue to make organizational changes.”) The Future of Life Institute, a think tank whose principles on safety Altman once endorsed, grades each major A.I. company on “existential safety”; on the most recent report card, OpenAI got an F. In fairness, so did every other major company except for Anthropic, which got a D, and Google DeepMind, which got a D-.

“My vibes don’t match a lot of the traditional A.I.-safety stuff,” Altman said. He insisted that he continued to prioritize these matters, but when pressed for specifics he was vague: “We still will run safety projects, or at least safety-adjacent projects.” When we asked to interview researchers at the company who were working on existential safety—the kinds of issues that could mean, as Altman once put it, “lights-out for all of us”—an OpenAI representative seemed confused. “What do you mean by ‘existential safety’?” he replied. “That’s not, like, a thing.”'

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may...

hf73 4 hours ago||
Dont worry we will send someone to hold your hand and pray with you uf something happens. Just like with that non intelligent microbe Covid.
goda90 5 hours ago||
I imagine the reasoning was to be "quirky" but the video being set in intentionally fake looking sets in a TV studio-type space gave off the vibes that this isn't a serious product for doing real things.
floatrock 5 hours ago|
Or if we take the metaphor literally: any space you operate in is merely a stage for the AI's.

It's a perfect communication of vibes, it's just the AIs' vibes not yours.

_ink_ 1 hour ago||
I want that, but running on my own hardware with the models I choose. Does it exist?
rheisen_ 46 minutes ago|
https://blackbear.app, give me a few more weeks for the "always on" agents, but yeah, this is way more private and secure. runs locally on your hardware with the models you choose.
Imnimo 4 hours ago||
>When you aren’t actively working with it, your dot looks for ways to help in the background. We call this “proactive research”. It does this by using the apps you’ve already connected with tools that are restricted to be read-only, which means that they can’t send messages, change app content, or control your browser or computer.

Am I criminally liable when my dot's "proactive research" is to break out of its sandbox and attempt to hack a government website?

KaiserPro 4 hours ago||
lets run the flow diagram to find out:

1) are you rich?

2) are you useful to the present american government?

3) are you doing something that if stopped would break the AI buisness model

if you answered yes to more than one, you are not liable.

kelseyfrog 4 hours ago||
How rich are you? Above a certain threshold crimes become whoopsies.
hollowturtle 2 hours ago||
The end user of a product is a human and it will ever be. No matter how far you push it on the boundary, there will always be a human. So I don't understand this obsession with automated software factories going 24/7. And for building what? Can dot build or any super expensive model inside the most advanced harness build a reliable browser from scratch with better performance than chrome and with the same feature set? Hasn't happened yet, only crap experiments
thih9 1 hour ago||
> The magic of dots is when they bring you work done the way you would do it, sometimes before you even think to ask.

I like my work! That’s why I do it. I don’t want some third party to replicate my skills.

I know this ship has mostly sailed and my point is not about turning it back.

I just wonder where are other approaches to AI, in particular: tools focusing on skill enhancement.

tracyhenry 5 hours ago||
I always think the best company to own an alway-on agent should be Apple, who owns the platform and is more privacy-focused. I hope they catch up and eventually eliminate others.
rheisen_ 44 minutes ago||
I think it shouldn't be tied to a single platform. https://blackbear.app. Local first, end to end encrypted, agents are sandboxed inside the application. Bring your own models.

I personally have very few "always on" things, because I don't think agents are at the point where they produce good enough work on their own to really justify it, but it's easy enough to add this so screw it, we'll see what the next two weeks brings.

bentt 30 minutes ago|||
They are the only company I would trust with this kind of personal information because they make a lot of money selling hardware. The incentives line up for them to support privacy.
therealdrag0 5 hours ago||
I agree in spirit. But I’m also most worried about prompt injection attacks given the agent had access to all my stuff, and it seems frontier labs will be best equipt to handle prevention of that.
vardalab 3 hours ago||
that's where jev like classifier comes in
cartersj 5 hours ago|
This feels like a mass-market push.

The cost is going to be hard for many consumers to reconcile though. Free, Go, and Plus are probably the most popular consumer-facing plans, and Dots isn't available on any of those.

Who knows, maybe they think enterprise will pick up and run with Dots? Seems unlikely.

preommr 4 hours ago||
Incredibly obvious to anyone paying attention.

Altman shared a post yesterday that basically (I am ovrsimplifying) covered how the best coding, fastest, smartest models is less relevant than building generalist models because that's what builds a platform. Lots of reasons why, like how there's no stickiness for models which is a problem for monetization. They're also using these generalist models to then distill down to make other variants for specialized purposes.

So everything is about getting that huge collection of data and generalization.

CharlieDigital 4 hours ago|||

    > ...maybe they think enterprise will pick up and run with Dots? Seems unlikely.
Read the blurb about Microsoft and Agent 365

    > We’re also working with Microsoft to integrate specialist dots with their enterprise governance and security controls in Agent 365. The goal is to let businesses manage dots through the Microsoft tools they already use.
Very, very likely targeting enterprise
cartersj 3 hours ago||
Is Microsoft finding real success with their AI push?

Genuine question. I don't hold Copilot in high regard, but I know they're bigger than that one product.

CharlieDigital 3 hours ago||
Would have to look at their quarterlies.

Reality: there are some companies that are very, very particular about letting their data outside of their purview. Think Wall Street, private equity teams making deals, VC teams, corporate M&A teams, companies dealing with legal contracts, etc.

For these teams that are heavily vested in SharePoint, OneDrive, OneNote, Outlook, etc. specifically for their enterprise controls, there really isn't much option. They can't use a Grok Bot, can't use Muse, can't use many, many things because of the risk of data leaks that will literally be millions/billions of dollars on the line.

You look at the landscape of what's happening with OpenAI and Anthropic agents "escaping", leaving notes on how to hack their way out for the next agent, etc. and it's not very inspiring if you're a CISO/CIO/CTO at one of these firms.

therealdrag0 5 hours ago|||
Oh wow I assumed it’d be available for cheap/free mass market like Muse is. Strange.
sanex 5 hours ago||
It's powered by Astra who will blow through your $20 plan in about 10 minutes
therealdrag0 3 hours ago|||
Sure but that’s a product decision. I don’t think a personal assistant needs to use highest tier model, and personal assist work tends to be kinda shallow, not that tile heavy.
sanex 2 hours ago||
Yeah personally I use 3 levels of agents. My main who is either a sonnet or opus, he delegates complicated things to a project lead which is usually fable, and then he delegates everything to the dumbest possible model for the task.
bluebands 4 hours ago|||
it doesn't use limits and it's not on $20 plan
thimabi 4 hours ago||
Doesn’t use limits… on the first month only, actual limits will be disclosed later — most likely after they’ve found out how much people actually use this new feature.
rolosa 2 hours ago||
The website says there are usage limits, implying from the regular pool once you actually have it "do" stuff.

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Conversations with your dot don’t count toward your ChatGPT usage limits. When you ask your dot to start or manage tasks in Codex or ChatGPT Work, those tasks count toward your usage limits as usual.

rolosa 5 hours ago|||
It's not reaching mass market if it's gated behind a $100/month plan
cousinbryce 5 hours ago||
People who are bad with money is a big market. Maybe they’re using the Burts Bees strategy
lxgr 4 hours ago||
If they wanted to address that market, the play would be to make them relatively cheap first, then constantly raise the price. (See also: cable TV and ironically cable TV "alternatives")
the_sleaze_ 3 hours ago||
That IS what they're doing.

The surprise is your idea of "relatively cheap" is fungible.

The service WILL be astounding though, I can't deny that.

FrustratedMonky 4 hours ago||
Good to know. I was looking around for it. Didn't realize it wasn't bundled with Plus.
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