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Posted by bradleyg223 9 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(blog.google)
See also: Gemini 4 Argon (High): Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49914236
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piratebroadcast 5 hours ago|
When Antigravity first came out, when I installed it, it made itself the default application to open all programming file types.... .txt. json, csv, you name it. It was absolutely infuriating and took me a month to put everything back to normal. So they've lost a lot of trust with me.
xnx 7 hours ago||
No mention of knowledge cutoff.
tinyhouse 3 hours ago||
Google didn't release an impressive model since Flash 3. I tried Antigravity with the latest Gemini model for a week and it's the worse experience I had among more than 5 harnesses and models I tried (deeseek/pro, muse/spark-1.3, cc/opus, codex/sol, and Pi/sol). I haven't touched it since and canceled my pro subscription.

Then I tried Flash 3.8 for different tasks like OCR and others, and while in their benchmarks it crashes Flash 3, in my experiments I didn't notice much difference, often even Flash 3 performed better.

I hope Gemini 4 Argon is a real step up from that but we'll see once they release it. I'm rooting for Google and it's about time they deliver frontier intelligence, not just competitive prices.

sbseitz 5 hours ago||
Bet it’s turbl
jeffbee 8 hours ago||
Putting an inert element in the name is a weird choice. Personally, I think "Gemini 4" is sufficient.
NolF 7 hours ago|
Maybe they are going to go for Argon/Neon/Helium to represent model sizes like Astra/Sol/Terra/Luna and Opus/Sonnet/Haiku
xnx 7 hours ago|||
Possibly. "Pro" and "Flash" is much easier to remember.
woggy 6 hours ago||
I prefer Pro Max Ultra XXL
jeffbee 6 hours ago|||
Astra, Sol, Terra, and Luna are also complete nonsense that I can't keep straight. I have a reference card under my monitor to remind me which one is which.
tomjen3 8 hours ago||
This is a prerelease and the title should have reflected that.
sergiotapia 8 hours ago||
I've noticed all major providers having shockingly high token discounts on cached tokens. Thank you Deepseek is all I have to say. Forever grateful to that wonderful company, I wish them continued financial success.
davmar 8 hours ago|
Agreed. I’ve been a big deepseek fan since 3.1, and they keep delivering great models at a great price.
mrshadowgoose 8 hours ago||
On the off chance there are Google execs going through this thread:

Google, if you've actually managed to catch up again, please don't fuck this up (again).

You made Gemini 2.5 Pro so difficult to use that myself and everyone else I know (who even bothered to try) just gave up and used something else. If you make this hard to access, you're going to miss out on rich usage-based training data that you need to progress your capability frontier. Again.

Razengan 8 hours ago||
Oh we're down to gas names now?

Goshdarnit they didn't see my suggestion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49899171

fragmede 8 hours ago|
If the model that ends humanity is called Cthulhu, you'll have the last laugh though.
Razengan 8 hours ago||
A true Lovecraftian knows Cthulhu is small fry on the grand scale of multidimensional things :)
TacticalCoder 8 hours ago|
> Large Scale Codebase Migrations and Optimizations: Argon agents are working on migrating C/C++ codebases to Rust across Google

So Google is migrating codebases from C to Rust? That is interesting...

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