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Posted by smilelamp 1 hour ago

Lobbying(geohot.github.io)
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iambateman 14 minutes ago|
(IANALobbyist but I do work for a lobbying firm)

Lobbying is how businesses talk to government. And I get that that sounds nasty—and sometimes it is nasty—-but it’s necessary.

Most of us work for businesses and when a rule comes out that legitimately threatens your business, you want to be able to tell the government in realtime.

Remember the rule change to the amortization of software expenses, which inadvertently would have killed thousands of software companies? Well, a big push from businesses got the rule amended and eventually removed, which is better for everyone. That’s lobbying.

Many businesses and local governments hire people who specialize in that work due to the sheer volume (America has a lot of layers of government).

I understand why the profession has such a bad reputation. When we think of a “lobbyist” we think of Big Tobacco or Big Tax Prep Software…companies who are trying to preserve their position by paying off the right people. But for every one of those, there are a hundred companies trying to make sure the law doesn’t screw then over and a hundred local communities trying to convince their state capitol to fund their schools and parks and bridges.

berofeev 1 minute ago||
Forgive my ignorance, but if you're not paying off the right people, how are you lobbying for change?

What's the mechanism, if not handing people cash and benefits if they support your cause?

sapientiae3 3 minutes ago|||
Ok, but does the government generally decide based on what’s in the best interest of the people, or the best interest of those who paid the most in the lobbying.

I think the answer to that should tell you how good or bad lobbying is.

deanputney 3 minutes ago||
> Remember the rule change to the amortization of software expenses, which inadvertently would have killed thousands of software companies?

While I’m sure this was lobbied heavily against by many companies, I don’t think that’s what did it. This was bad legislation done on purpose to poison the next administration, then undone as convenient.

cmdli 32 minutes ago||
I know this post is mainly about money in politics, but lobbying does go a lot farther than campaign contributions. Many lobbying groups are arranged around certain political groups, like environmentalism (Sierra Club), civil liberties (ACLU), or gun rights (NRA).

"Lobbying" is a generic term for influencing a politician, and it existed well before Citizens United. Hell, corporate influence in politics also existed long before Citizens United, too.

culi 12 minutes ago|
I've sat in a lawmaker's office with some friends before to ask them for help with something. We actually met with multiple state reps. That's lobbying that almost anybody can technically do. I don't think anyone is against that

As you pointed out, this is clearly about the type of lobbying where the politician ends up on the board of some industry group that they helped out or receives really generous PAC donations

hypersoar 38 minutes ago||
While the courts have allowed the influence of money in politics to go much too far, I doubt that the idea of rich people and businesses using their wealth to influence politicians is all that alien to non-Americans.

Also, bribery isn't really "super illegal" in America. Cases like McDonnell vs. US make it so that as long as you don't go "Thank you for the bag of money, which I hereby accept in exchange for granting you, in my official capacity, that government contract you wanted, which you would not have gotten otherwise," you're pretty much in the clear.

adventured 3 minutes ago|
It's not alien anywhere. There isn't a country where the rich don't heavily influence politics, there are no exceptions, and there never will be. They're almost always useful, and when they're not they're thrown out windows (Russia) or stripped of their assets (China). In the US when they go too far (or won't step in line), the government tends to eventually flex its power and remind them who is in charge. It's why people ranging from Bezos to Tim Cook are quasi-terrified of someone like Trump and his tantrum potential (despite how supposedly powerful those titans of industry are).
matteoraso 37 minutes ago||
This is very lazy slopulism, but I'll take a stab at defending lobbying. Lobbying is a way for relevant stakeholders to make their issues known. Are there problems with lobbying? Absolutely, but it's not bribery.
bonoboTP 31 minutes ago||
Can't they make their issues known without paying the politician's campaign a bag of cash?
colordrops 27 minutes ago|||
Right? Europe has lobbying without payments, as that's called what it is there: bribery.
adrianN 11 minutes ago|||
There are plenty of generous donations for political parties and lucrative board positions for politicians in Europe
matteoraso 4 minutes ago|||
What? Lobbyists in Brussels have spent over 300 million euros just in 2024[0].

[0]https://www.protothema.gr/files/2025-03-06/ekthesi-lobbying....

brainwad 25 minutes ago|||
Yes, and plenty do. Lobbying is a different thing to funding campaigns. It's just that many politicians are willing to listen more to lobbyists who also fund their campaign.
vconnor 20 minutes ago||
> It's just that many politicians are willing to listen more to lobbyists who also fund their campaign.

“It’s just that a bag of cash is persuasive”. Well, no shit. It’s called bribery.

haunter 19 minutes ago|||
>slopulism

TIL

>1, Populism characterized by low-quality (often gen AI) memes and conspiracy theories.

>2, Populism characterized by vague, disingenuous, or excessively idealistic claims.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slopulism

I disagree with categorization though. Or now lower quality writing will be also branded as AI generated?

airstrike 30 minutes ago|||
if by "relevant" you mean "rich", sure

now consider if that is the entire set of stakeholders

vconnor 16 minutes ago||
FYI, top PACs of the 2024 election (source: Wikipedia)

National Association of Realtors – $3,751,000

Blue Cross/Blue Shield [health insurance] – $2,705,050

American Crystal Sugar [agriculture] – $2,667,500

National Beer Wholesalers Association – $2,585,000

American Israel Public Affairs Committee – $2,572,500

Operating Engineers Union – $2,528,306

America's Credit Unions – $2,489,160

American Bankers Association – $2,249,580

Sheet Metal, Air, Rail & Transportation Union – $2,226,900

Trump 47 Committee – $2,220,530

Given this list, it’s really hard to be surprised about how America operates internally, and which businesses are sacrosanct. You could produce this list to the questions “why is real estate so expensive? Why don’t we have free healthcare? Why do we care so much about Israel? etc.”

culi 5 minutes ago||
I'm assuming Wikipedia's source is OpenSecrets which is an incredible resource

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs...

You can see any individual politicians and who they're funded by or see which industry funds which candidates

But now that Dark Money[0] is legal, there's limited value in these numbers

[0] https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/influenc...

Timpanzee 28 minutes ago|||
Lobbying, in theory, isn’t bribery.

Lobbying, in practice, has turned into a form of bribery.

avaer 11 minutes ago|||
In a representative democracy you're supposed to represent the people equally. That's why everyone gets one vote, and the law puts a lot of effort to make sure votes cannot be bought.

If you get around that principle by paying, however indirectly, it's a degree of bribery.

tomlockwood 24 minutes ago||
> Lobbying is a way for relevant stakeholders to make their issues known.

If only America was some kind of "representative" democracy where it was already the job of politicians to find this out.

blfr 28 minutes ago||
I am a non-American from Poland and have no trouble understanding lobbying along with the distinction between lobbying and outright bribery or more systemic corruption.

Also, a lot of lobbying happens without money changing hands. Politicians need professional bodies and local communites for a variety of reasons. From staging campaign stops through having experts to maintain a semblance of merit all the way to filling goverment positions and actually exercising power once they win elections. Thus these various groups gain influence.

matkoniecz 20 minutes ago|
> through having experts to maintain a semblance of merit

Also, you have gradient from "actual honest expert advise" to "pushing own interest while claiming to be an expert".

blfr 12 minutes ago||
I think it's almost always the latter with a mere sprinkling of the former.

Not because there aren't many honest people driven by what's best for their craft or profession, there are, but these are not the kinds of people who find being a political party's talking head on a morning show, or even reviewing their political program and schmoozing with the apparatchiks, gratifying.

sapientiae3 1 minute ago||
Why is no one lobbying to get rid of lobbying?
emaro 38 minutes ago||
Lobbying is hardly uniquely (US) american, right? At least in Europe, we have our fair share and I'm sure it exists in Africa and Asia as well.
RachelF 35 minutes ago||
Lots of big lobbying companies corrupting Australia, too.

Less "sophisticated" countries just tend cut out the lobbyist middleman and call it what it is - bribery.

dlcarrier 28 minutes ago|||
It's uniquely protected in the US, due to the constitution protecting freedom of speech. The supreme court has ruled that the government cannot stop anyone from sharing their views of candidates or campaigning on their behalf.
colordrops 26 minutes ago||
Explicitly allowing payments with lobbying is more rare.
vconnor 8 minutes ago||
I am amazed at how many people in here are ready to defend lobbying.

Are you prepared to go as far as to say that lobbying is necessary for good government?

alexrp 36 minutes ago||
This framing is weird; this kind of lobbying through campaign/party donations happens almost anywhere that elections are a thing.
bonoboTP 27 minutes ago|
Often with strict spending limits. Which get violated, but at least it's not A-OK legally.
utopcell 2 minutes ago|
> No no no that can’t be a bribe you see, that happens after the laws were passed, a bribe would have to be before.

That's how you can tell that lobbying is different from prostitution. In the latter, money exchange is illegal both before and after the act.

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