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Posted by thm 1 day ago

Ledger confirms spy chip implant behind wallet crypto thefts(www.bleepingcomputer.com)
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Crypto-thieves-sell-hardware-wa...

https://crypto.news/ledger-confirms-hidden-chip-in-crypto-wa...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnHdr30v4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4FEFlgv3Q

https://www.tibane.net/research/ledger-nano-x-implant

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klinch 12 hours ago|
Man, I wish there were some pictures. I didn’t even know that there are LTE modems that small.
TacticalCoder 12 hours ago||
There are pictures online. And for an unexplainable reason it is the person behind the biggest Bitcoin exchange SNAFU of all times (where hackers stole something like 800 000 Bitcoins), Mark Karpeles of "Mt. Gox" (who did jail time btw), who was the first to post them:

Apparently the hacker did remove the battery and replace it with a smaller one, leaving enough room for the tiny eSIM/LTE modem / OCR chip that did recognition of the secret on screen.

kotaKat 12 hours ago||
https://www.tibane.net/research/ledger-nano-x-implant

They're here. It's wild.

sdcfgy 1 hour ago|||
I want to read that but my slop detector went off. Instant disinterest.

Give me a shitty html4 page with the text ffs.

arm32 1 hour ago||
It's definitely AI-written, annoying as fuck god damn it, but the photos are good and the descriptions of the boards, are at least at cursory glance, pretty accurate.

tl;dr Implant is just a little cell phone that does OCR of the hardware wallet's screen during setup to steal the recovery phrases. The implant's design has improved notably three different times before landing on a pretty darn sleek spot-welded overlay that is laminated flat onto the host.

Aboutplants 12 hours ago|||
What incredible engineering
CamperBob2 2 hours ago|||
It's a great hack. I wonder why they didn't just spin a new board and transplant the secure-enclave chip to it.

I guess the sweatshop workers would then need to be trained in reballing BGAs if they did that.

keritech 10 hours ago||
Funny enough, EEVBlog posted a teardown video of one of those things today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnHdr30v4g
modeless 1 hour ago||
Why are these things not potted in epoxy at the factory? Not that it would entirely prevent this attack but it could make it a lot harder to execute and hide.
hector_vasquez 2 hours ago||
I wonder the lengths smartphone vendors are going to prevent this kind of attack. I cannot imagine it is easy to completely validate hardware in such an elaborate supply chain. I shudder to think about the attack surface in something like a modern car.
slim 41 minutes ago||
The attack is profitable because it's targeted. Every one of those devices contains crypto. Which is not the case for mobile phones.
tenuousemphasis 1 hour ago||
It seems unlikely that smartphones would be targeted for such an attack because almost nobody stores large amounts of crypto on their smartphone. Those that do will likely get hacked more traditionally.
Neywiny 1 day ago||
My gut reaction is that a hardware implant would be too costly so there's no way they'd actually do that but I guess when you can steal $92M, anything is possible. They could even fab an esoteric chip and still make a profit.
dannyw 1 day ago||
Why do you think it's too costly? It's well known that there are divisions in DPRK that are focused on generating $ through crypto hacks and compromises.

We're dealing with reasonably sophisticated state actors here in this dark forest; not script kiddies.

Cheap $5 PCB + programmable small FPGA is a very viable route too for hardware implants; but even a microcontroller / ESP32/etc will probably do.

thinkmassive 1 day ago|||
> A technical account published by Tibane Labs described an arrangement involving a microcontroller, cellular communication hardware and connections to the screen’s internal data lines.

Cellular communications hardware seems very sophisticated and expensive compared to a simple microcontroller.

tenuousemphasis 1 hour ago||
It's not though, it's a pretty standard component.
Neywiny 1 day ago|||
Other commentator covered it a bit but BOM cost is a negligible percentage
solyin 1 day ago|||
Dangerous things sells implantable chips.

Eg. https://dangerousthings.com/products/apex-flex?Antenna=Narro...

Shank 1 day ago|||
PCBWay will make anything you send them for reasonable pricing. Custom boards etc are not at all hard to manufacture, and for the amount of money you can get, of course you can team up with someone. I think the most people overestimate the cost of bespoke PCB creation.
kotaKat 1 day ago||
If you slide through and ignore the writing, the linked implant teardown is wild - https://www.tibane.net/research/ledger-nano-x-implant

They did, in fact, appear to mass-manufacture a custom-built flat flex implant with cellular (LTE-M!), eSIM, and everything that hid right inside the Ledger, sniffing the SPI reads to the display to read the recovery phrases it pukes out and send 'em over cellular to the ringleader.

It's an EXTREMELY well built implant. I'm impressed. Multiple revisions, even.

The money's too hot to not build shit like this and slip it into the stream. Even a few thousand in R&D netting a six figure ROI is worth it, getting millions is just the icing.

anvuong 1 hour ago||
One would've thought that the display data bus would be encrypted/scrambled in such a device, or at least packaged in a way that makes this kind of attack destructive to the circuit board (chip-on-glass).

Amateur hour all around.

Freeaqingme 1 day ago||
I'm guessing the best way to go about self custody these days is to have a multi sig wallet, based on multiple hardware wallets from different vendors.
scrlk 1 day ago||
I wouldn't trust any of the hardware wallet vendors. Pretty much all of them have had customer data leaks, resulting in wrench attacks.

You're better off just having a dedicated laptop for crypto transactions.

wongarsu 1 day ago|||
Hardware wallets have a huge target on their back. They are great for convenience, but once you are using multiple for muli-sig you can have more security with less hassle with an airgapped old laptop or a hand-stamped piece of metal you keep in a safe
ForHackernews 2 hours ago||
Don't forget to bury it under a cement birdbath in your back yard!
sunshine-o 1 day ago||
What always surprised me is there aren't many implementations of multisig for EVM based chains.

Actually the only one I know is the Gnosis Safe. Talk about creating a huge risk if it would have a problem.

olalonde 23 hours ago||
I wonder if a epoxy/resin potting would solve this sort of attack. Or active tamper response that fries the board if someone tampers with the case.
swinglock 1 hour ago|
It would make the tampering more expensive, but not too expensive given the 100 million dollar reward, while also making inspection of the device practically impossible for users.

If you can't get to the insides without breaking it, the only devices verified to likely be safe would be unusable too, so the product would in practice be even more unsafe.

If the user first inspects it and then glue it on their own, that would work, but it wouldn't solve this problem. Evil maid attack is something else and obviously harder at scale.

karel-3d 11 hours ago||
Not your factory, distributor, warehouses, fulfillment centers and entire supply chain, not your coins.
woadwarrior01 1 day ago|
Ledger has had three data leak incidents: once in 2020, a software supply chain attack in 2023 and another data leak in 2026. This latest one is the fourth.

Even if one were to ignore the latest incident, which arguably isn't their fault, the first three incidents make up a pretty bad security track record.

How a French (EU based) company is still in business after all of this, is an indicator of selective enforcement of EU privacy laws (GDPR, etc).

Slartie 10 hours ago||
> the latest incident, which arguably isn't their fault

I'd not release them soo easily from their share of responsibility. Tamper-proof hardware is a thing, electronic funds transfer terminals for example already implement ways to detect or prevent physical intrusion into safety-relevant parts of the device. Would probably have cost a few cents in manufacturing to add countermeasures to physical modification into the Ledgers. The fact that there is not even the slightest attempt at securing the device against this kind of attacks is entirely on the manufacturer.

> How a French (EU based) company is still in business after all of this, is an indicator of selective enforcement of EU privacy laws (GDPR, etc).

Surely you can name a dozen of US companies that have been driven out of business by enforcement of EU privacy laws. But I'd be glad if you'd at least name a single one!

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