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Posted by 737max 12 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(deepmind.google)
See also: Gemini 4 Argon for Robotics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074869
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minraws 10 hours ago|
can for the love of god we get some usage in cheaper subscriptions being Ultra tier only is annoying. I want to just test it out here, well will burn some money via api I guess.
rw2 12 hours ago||
Fable 5.5 about to drop the hammer on them and then another Astra version goes out lol.
UltraSane 11 hours ago||
Fable is very expensive though.
yoz-y 12 hours ago||
And so the game of cat and mouse goes on. Your point being?
fuzzer371 2 hours ago||
Great. More AI slop
peter_d_sherman 11 hours ago||
>"Argon helped the Chrome team separate core webpage handling from a ~6 million line legacy folder of browser features held within Chromium’s 40 million-line codebase. Piping multiple clean code changes at a time, Argon helped the team finish an architectural refactor across hundreds of files, completing months of work in weeks."

Now that needed to be done for some time!

Regardless of if an AI helped or not, regardless of whether that was Google's or some other AI or not (though Argon does sound pretty cool!), regardless of whether an AI cut the time from months to weeks or not, refactoring Chrome -- decomposing it into individual clearly demarcated non-tightly coupled software parts with core webpage handling at the center -- that needed to be done for some time!

Now all of that being said, Gemini 4 Argon does sound pretty cool, and we congratulate both teams at Google -- the team that created Gemini 4 Argon, and the team that refactored Chrome with it!

But all of that being said, while the advancements made for Gemini 4 Argon are important and impressive (and they are!)... refactoring Chrome properly (IMHO) is slightly more important and impressive!

(You know, one man's humble opinion! That is, I am not the guy who is responsible for awarding performance-based bonuses at Google at the end of the year, so take everything I say with the proverbial "grain of salt"! :-) I am probably biased, one way or the other! :-) )

jdw64 11 hours ago||
Why can't the Gemini model code? I'd guess Gemini probably used the best dataset. Even Google is the place where the world's best coders are gathered, isn't it? Yet the GPT code from OpenAI, which collaborated with Microsoft, is beautiful, while the Gemini model's coding is trash.
robotmay 11 hours ago|
I have no problem with Gemini Flash 3.8 for coding, though I only use Elixir which is one of the better languages for LLMs. Where does it fall short elsewhere?
jdw64 11 hours ago||
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username_my1 12 hours ago||
not available in our org (EU)
scotty79 12 hours ago||
Are they gonna go to Krypton or Neon next? Kinda started in the middle there.
david-gpu 12 hours ago||
Meanwhile I paid a subscription and they only provide access to 3.6 Flash. Consequently, I have moved on to open-weight models. It is what happens when you screw your customers over.
Havoc 12 hours ago|
You can probably get 3.8 via ai studio interface.

God knows why the server different things to the same people on different interfaces

ralusek 12 hours ago||
3.1 Gemini was amazing for anything non-agentic. I switched to it for my primary chatbot purposes.

I never touch 3.8, it's awful. Curious to try this, but I've yet to use any Gemini that is good for agentic work.

Also, unrelated but this made me look at Artificial Analysis to see where it lands on Cost per Task, and it ranks Opus 5.5 at almost double Astra 6. That does not align with my experience.

vegnus 12 hours ago|
People use Antigravity still?
bla3 12 hours ago|
It's alright.
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