Gemini 4 Argon - Hacker News

Posted by 737max 7 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(deepmind.google)

See also: Gemini 4 Argon for Robotics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074869

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risphere 1 hour ago|

It's expensive. Google used to release good models that were cheap, but even the new flash models are expensive.

alexmr 1 hour ago||

I am impressed by how fast it is. Haven't run all my evals but it's surprisngly quick for creating files

ssernikk 52 minutes ago|

Their previous best model - Gemini 3.8 Flash (also when set to high) was even faster. A appreciate it that they focus on speed. I's great for LLM pair-programming.

ehsankia 3 hours ago||

I'm a bit confused, all the announcements say that this is availabe to Ultra and Pro subscribers, but in antigravity, it's grayed out and says it's only available to Ultra.

RedCardRef 3 hours ago|

Available on Ultra and Pro on the Gemini App. Only Ultra in Antigravity.

From what I saw online.

mistic92 7 hours ago||

I'm pro and I see that I need to be Ultra to use Argon :/

robotmay 6 hours ago|

Honestly not even that is enough, I exhausted the limit within 5 minutes of trying to use it. I'll stick to Flash I think.

olafura 3 hours ago|||

Yeah, the limit was exhausted weirdly fast compared to openai and anthropic models. I checked the thread to see if more people had this issue on the 5x plan, but why pay for more when it's barely usable for real work.

Which is even weirder given that the api costs are less than for the other providers

Maybe they don't really care about antigravity users. Also, monitoring usage is horrible.

skerit 6 hours ago|||

Really? Reminds me of Gemini 3. It took so long before being able to get a subscription for it, and then I would run out of their equivalent of the 5-hour usage window in a heartbeat.

robotmay 6 hours ago||

Yeah maybe I've just become used to how much I can use Flash 3.7/3.8 but on the less expensive Ultra plan I basically never exhaust my quota even when working over multiple projects, but this was pretty much immediate. I did ask it to audit a project but still, I do that in Flash regularly and it's not especially costly.

metalliqaz 4 hours ago||

Are the limits restricted on launch day because of all the interest?

dmd 3 hours ago||

https://shot.3e.org/ss-20261013_160043.jpg google's roll-out procedures on point as usual

moecables 3 hours ago|

it's available on Gemini now (I have the Pro plan) https://cleanshot.com/share/tcV0pGmf

ssernikk 2 hours ago||

It's nice to have it available for more complex tasks, but I'll stick with 3.8 Flash thanks to its high output speed. I really like it for fast iteration and prototyping.

129751 7 hours ago||

Google's models are by far the best for readable text but also for nuanced understanding of the input.

Even after using the free model in Google search talking to Anthropic or OpenAI models feels like talking to an ox.

arjie 5 hours ago||

Announced two weeks ago and they went on a victory lap and they're already behind by the time they launched. Strange company, Google.

dom96 3 hours ago|

Adversarial programming language test for Argon. Surprisingly its safety guardrail gets triggered a lot just like for Fable 5.1.

    Claude Opus 5.5   58.7%
    Gemini 4 Argon    47.1%
    Claude Fable 5.1  46.7%

Benchmarks: https://bench.killswitch-lang.org/

Language info: https://killswitch-lang.org/

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