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Posted by 737max 8 hours ago

Gemini 4 Argon(deepmind.google)
See also: Gemini 4 Argon for Robotics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50074869
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bionhoward 7 hours ago|
I feel like if Google simplified their privacy/model training policy then their stock would go up.

It feels so complicated and hard to know what we can use vs what hands them our codebases

le-mark 3 hours ago||
I can’t try it because it’s not available on the free tier and no way in hell I’m tying a credit card to google, I’ll wait for argon-lite.
rcr-anti 8 hours ago||
Digging in the model card, "Gemini 4 is the next generation in the Gemini series, a suite of highly-capable, natively multimodal, reasoning models. Gemini 4 Argon delivers frontier performance..." If they're using noble gases there are 2 obvious lighter naming candidates and 3 larger (or 4 if you count Oganesson). I'm not seeing them claiming Argon is the top/biggest/bestest model among the Gemini 4 series, just that it has frontier performance.

Edit: noble gases not noble taxes, though the latter would be a funnier naming scheme.

Razengan 5 hours ago|
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martythemaniak 4 hours ago||
Pretty insane that this isn't available for Pro subscribers on Antigravity, like not even a taste. Antigravity comes with a sample of Opus 5.5 too!
lubujackson 2 hours ago|
Available to me in Cursor. Google is too big to serve their own clients first, I guess.
Insanity 8 hours ago||
> Across Google and our early access partners, Argon is quickly becoming the preferred model for engineers tackling long-horizon software engineering.

"Across Google", wonder how much that is because of an effort by Google to curb usage of Anthropic models. MSFT and Meta similarly are pushing for in-house models. It doesn't mean the models are better when you push your engineers to dogfood and restrict access to other LLMs.

(Not that I know for sure this is the case, it's more of a hypothesis).

summerlight 57 minutes ago||
It's actually the inverse, they made Opus 5.5 available internally for all engineers, presumably for benchmarking against Gemini 4.
nkg 7 hours ago|||
Explain to me what is "long-horizon software engineering" in 2026.
melasadra 8 hours ago||
I mean, don't we want engineers to dogfood their own product so that they know it's strengths and weaknesses and be in position to improve it?
jawiggins 8 hours ago||
I hope all the people very concerned about AI safety are cheering this one. The best guard against one AI swarm taking over is having multiple adversarial orgs all with similarly advanced AI swarms.

I wonder if any of the AI safety people will begin encouraging AI researchers to swap jobs to work at a failing lab in order to keep them all extremely competitive with one another.

FinnLobsien 7 hours ago||
I think we’re past the point where making the best model guarantees company success.

At this point a lot of stuff happens at the product level.

OpenAI and anthropic have distribution and data advantages now that are hard to replicate.

jawiggins 7 hours ago||
Yeah I totally agree. And domain-specific models for say, high frequency trading, still beat the foundation models. I was never a doomer.
derwiki 7 hours ago||
MAD: not just for nuclear proliferation anymore
jawiggins 7 hours ago||
now everything is a dual use technology.
dmix 8 hours ago||
I'm still waiting for a model which I can tell to "take these 3 screenshots and make a product launch video", where it doesn't randomly modify the screenshots or garble/rewrite the text as it moves the screenshots around the video.

Every time I try to generate one it's like a slot machine, where a different part will be messed up after fixing the first.

ramoz 8 hours ago||
I dont have that problem with opus5.5. I dont even take the screenshots anymore (it does all screen recordings)... I tell it a simple narrative and it follows through. e.g. https://x.com/plannotator/status/2108589088139886769?s=20
DrProtic 8 hours ago|||
I literally did that with Opus today and it did a great job.

I told it to strip screenshots from our old basic explainer video to generate modern 3D video.

Pretty happy with the result. I told it to keep the audio and match the video and it did.

dmix 7 hours ago||
Interesting, I will try it with Opus 5.5.

I previously tried with Seedance 2.5, Flux 3, Kling 3, Gemini Omni without much luck.

ChrisClark 4 hours ago||
oh yeah, definitely don't use image or video generation. Have something script it instead, and then render it to a video
TomGarden 8 hours ago|||
Pretty sure Opus 5.5 can do this with code only now. Seen a lot of strong motion design skills floating around
vunderba 7 hours ago||
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risphere 2 hours ago||
It's expensive. Google used to release good models that were cheap, but even the new flash models are expensive.
eyalitki 7 hours ago|
I gave the model my usual question of "I got a raise from X to Y, please explain what is the impact on my net salary". Answer was detailed and nailed all payroll edge cases, only to miserably fail in basic math at the end. It tried to calculate 430 minus 60 and got 410.
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