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Posted by smilelamp 1 hour ago

Why are we even doing all this?(terrytao.wordpress.com)
148 points | 110 commentspage 2
zemo 1 hour ago|
> No rational person, least of all us masters of rationality in STEM, pursues these for the joy of creation, learning, or beauty

well yeah the purpose of STEM education is to be a factory to produce the correct worker for another factory

throwawaytea 53 minutes ago||
I work in construction now. Commercial Millwork/cabinets as a project manager.

It is so much harder and more stressful than my php/jquery mini saas coding days.

Often at work I start thinking "why are we doing all this? Why does anyone want this fancy reception desk?? This desk is not worth the human aggravation that it's causing."

I genuinely start thinking we should go back to concrete eastern European communist type buildings just for the simplicity and efficiency. Why all this fancy stuff that causes every project engineer, superintendent, and subcontractor Engineering department to get grey hair.

But I guess it makes the economy grow. I don't know.

grebc 40 minutes ago|
I hate the concrete/modern aesthetic, but live and let live I say and you should build your dream one day.

I read something interesting recently that some huge percentage of society, all genders, all classes etc etc hate modern architectural compared to classic architectural style. The only people that like are architects and/or architecture students. Amusing tid bit. Could also be complete junk when I drive all over Australia and see white/grey render & black trim absolutely everywhere. Yuck.

throwawaytea 29 minutes ago||
My note wasn't really on style, but more so how much human energy goes into custom cabinets in a lunch break room, when in reality an almost custom off the shelf solution that just has a bit of evenly spaced empty space on both sides is cheaper and 90% less hassle.

I'm currently working on metal hallways portals that are 10' tall, except the material is only 8', and the seams are ugly, so several people are designing solutions on how to split the span up And what kind of reveal to do so the edge/seam is nice. Why? Why does this hallway need a metal cap at the end of it?

mwillis 54 minutes ago||
I don’t accept this framing. If tools allow us to pursue ever more deeply into the mystery of being, and get to both questions and answers we never thought we’d see, that’s a good thing. I think the genuinely curious should have no problem redoubling their “freed up time” into further exploration. The library Borges describes is infinite. I won’t mind getting to read a few books I wouldn’t have otherwise.
deepsun 1 hour ago||
> AI has solved all our problems

What about the Collatz conjecture? AFAIK, it requires some novel approaches to mathematics, which would be a real testament to AI creative skills.

I don't doubt it will be solved some day, but as of now it's too early to say that all our problems are solved.

fwip 1 hour ago|
You may want to reread the essay. Many of the statements in it are not the sincere beliefs of the author.
throwaway624352 46 minutes ago||
We must secure the future of humanity and preserve dignity, freedom, purpose and agency.
tocs3 1 hour ago||
This is not a very upbeat post. It does not say much about the AI Library of Babel but I have been wondering about the same thing.
dist-epoch 56 minutes ago||
So we have the Fields medal, awarded for making "progress" in math.

Now we are told explaining, understanding things, asking new questions is more important than proving things. So where is the math community medals/awards for this job?

bluepeter 1 hour ago||
> First, they came for the artists, and I did not speak out, because I was not an artist.

// actually FIRST they came for the programmers. and many of us were ultimately ULTIMATELY pretty tickled to get such a massive productivity boost. this anti-AI sentiment as seen here and in Jon Stewart's rant that all AI is good for is optimizing shopping carts or something... it's so upsetting see good folks buying into this and not realizing how much benefit it will bring. If anything, I've seen how much amazing power it has now given programmers such as myself... I can do what would take me years in an afternoon.

// Btw, can we retire the "first they came for the..." template, it's a little tired.

hatthew 58 minutes ago|
Diffusion models were the first gen AI tech to plausibly be able to replace humans, no? I feel like image generation was ahead of text generation 2015-2022, and prior to 2015 the best "gen AI" was markov chains which I don't think is within the scope of what we're talking about.
bluepeter 54 minutes ago|||
I remember being blown away by BERT and all its variations (BART etc) after the Transformers paper. For topic modeling and other semantic understanding of text, that was bee's knees. But certainly not replacing any humans.
hatthew 40 minutes ago||
Yeah, BERT was cool, but IMO things like StyleGAN were equally cool. I think DALL-E was the first time that there was practical, nonphilosophical, discussion about AI replacing human industries. Maybe there was discussion within the data labeling industry about text classification models replacing humans prior to that? But also, data labeling is one of the industries that probably got a lot bigger due to AI, so...
ZeWaka 50 minutes ago|||
We had some really neat powerful classification around then.
DevKoala 54 minutes ago|
> dreaming that one day an unfeeling corporate robot[1] will burn a rainforest to compile a list of 700 highly obscure barely-readable facts that might be true that nobody can understand as part of a marketing gimmick to raise hype for an IPO

The climate effect argument against AI is so intellectually dishonest. It’s the same as saying that Tao is on the side of stopping the advancement of Cancer research.

I thought the people clowning him were dumb, but the people arguing for either side are really fighting on a mud pit.

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