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Posted by goostavos 2 days ago

It's still ok to enjoy programming(chriskiehl.com)
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aftergibson 5 hours ago|
And here I was trying so hard to hate the thing I've loved doing.

Thanks blog!

Rochus 6 hours ago||
> I still program on the weekends because it is fun

Fully agree. It's still (or even more than ever) more entertaining than watching Netflix. Why should I care if other people use agents to do the programming?

mycocola 7 hours ago||
It's like meat was invented.

Detractors say it causes needless suffering, accelerates global warming, bad for you in excess. Some say it simply doesn't taste nice, and are met with "Have you tried wagyu-7.1, it's much better than sirloin-flash-3".

vconnor 5 hours ago||
There’s fitting metaphors, and there’s… whatever your comment is trying to convey.

We get it, you’re vegan, but your agenda is extremely off-topic in this case, to the point of being flamebait.

mycocola 2 hours ago||
The metaphor is clear, but not engaging with it does not require you to write a reply of accusation.
simianwords 6 hours ago|||
Its a bit interesting how the very fact that some technology has different grades of performance can escape people.

Its something I've noticed in many folks. You'd say something like "well sure, did you try using a different model" and you will be met with screeching. Its almost as if they've shut off facts and made up their minds.

An example: a year back I wanted to show that AI doesn't hallucinate that much.

Here's like a 20 comment long conversation with a person who believed that ChatGPT hallucinates easily. It took them a long time to prove it - they used toy examples and it did't work because they'd never used the thinking version. Then they had to resort to esoteric examples in the benchmark which still didn't work.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47693707

ModernMech 1 hour ago||
FWIW in that thread they said anyone reading it would determine you were not objective, but I didn’t think that at all.
IshKebab 6 hours ago||
It's really not like that. Sorry to disappoint you but it's more like cars were invented, and someone says "have you tried the Ford Model T, it's much better than a steam carriage".

Or if you prefer "have you tried the new iPhone, it's much better than the HP iPAQ".

mycocola 6 hours ago||
That's right, exactly like that!
mr7uca 2 hours ago||
It's just so sad to see the loudest people (who usually have a vested interest in AI taking jobs) always have un-nuanced takes that ai tools are always the best tools for the job.

Anyone who can speak with any nuance on where humans (the only actual intelligence on earth) can vastly outperform the best models has their voices buried.

Algo feeds are a plague brainwashing people with news/info about only on the extreme views thanks to it optimizing for engagement to serve the most ads. Your favorite really really smart but boring professor's thoughts from University would never get shared online in todays world for example.

rewgs 1 hour ago||
I've been thinking about this a lot, as I'm sure we all have been.

3Brown1Blue recently posted an excellent video on how he's thinking about AI's impact on math, which of course is in a similar position as programming. One of the points he made was that machines' abilities to lift heavy things has no bearing on the value of exercise -- which is to say that, just because AI can now code/do math extremely well, that has no bearing on the positive effects (the "mental exercise") one gets from programming/doing math "the old way;" the same can be said about one's enjoyment.

The problem here, though, is that I used to get the enjoyment/"exercise"/upskilling/etc from the same 8 hours that paid for my life. Now, I have to squeeze that in _outside_ of those 8 hours. So AI has, very clearly and simply, reduced my downtime outside of work -- I literally have less time for non-programming hobbies and activities because of AI.

hexasquid 6 hours ago||
For a second I didnt see where it says "made by my own two hands", but it's down the bottom.

Phew!

micromacrofoot 6 hours ago||
Yeah but I want to get paid for it.
sha201 4 hours ago||
It's becoming a hobby I guess
cute_boi 7 hours ago|
The problem is that AI is creating a race to the bottom. We are forced to use AI tools and burn tokens because leadership don't have a clue. And even if you're doing complex work, people will assume it's just a prompt...

I enjoy writing complex programs because I get appreciation for my work. I don't really care that much, but I'm sure we humans love being appreciated for what we do.

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