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Posted by beex 16 hours ago

New 14‑inch MacBook Pro with M6(www.apple.com)
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bigwheels 15 hours ago|
> With 16GB of unified memory standard, configurable up to 32GB, and higher memory bandwidth up to 170GB/s

Apple MacBook M5 Max has bandwidth up to 600GB/s, is 170GB/s for M6 the real limit? If so, wouldn't this slow down LLM processing?

Choco31415 15 hours ago||
There are rumors that Apple is not releasing Pro/Max versions of the M6 with the intention of focusing these research efforts on the M7 instead.

Even then, 170GB/s is a bump up from 153GB/s of the M5. So we see a 11% uplift already.

brandon272 13 hours ago|||
> So we see a 11% uplift already.

Am I crazy, or are a lot more people using the term "uplift" in place of "increase" within the last year? Google Trends (for whatever it's worth) shows a significant increase (uplift?) since mid-late 2025. [0]

[0] https://trends.google.com/explore?q=uplift&date=today%205-y&...

reaperducer 13 hours ago|||
It's monkey-see-monkey-do language.

See also: The use of "learnings" instead of "lessons."

desolate_muffin 10 hours ago||
that one and "educator" both make my skin crawl for some reason
jemmyw 13 hours ago|||
Language changes. People at work have started saying things are an easy lift instead of a quick win. And it's not new hires, it's the people I've worked with for years. I never got on board with quick win either.

Some people adopt stuff faster than others. I've lived in NZ for nearly 20 years and called someone bro for the first time just last week while playing a sport "should have left it for me bro". Slipped out natural as. Still having bad thoughts about it.

ok_dad 11 hours ago||
Shit I still use “low hanging fruit”! How out of date am I?
mgiampapa 11 hours ago||
Here I am doing the needful still.
Implicated 12 hours ago|||
> Even then, 170GB/s is a bump up from 153GB/s of the M5. So we see a 11% uplift already.

My M2 Pro does 200GB/s.

wtf are we even talking about here.

bdcravens 11 hours ago||
I believe they're discussing the base processors as a way of comparing generations, since there is no M6 Pro/Max. (the M2 base was at 100GB/s)

For a direct comparison to your processor, the M5 Pro is at 308GB/s.

hbn 12 hours ago|||
Why are we comparing the M6 to the M5 Max?

What was the speed of the base M5?

bdcravens 11 hours ago||
As pointed out in a sibling comment, 153GB/s.
gaoshan 13 hours ago|||
If you want to do anything beyond getting a small single-core speed bump the M5 Pro is a better, more capable purchase. At least until the M7 comes out.
epistasis 15 hours ago|||
The M6 version is also cheaper than the M5 Max by a significant amount. I wouldn't be surprised if the M6 could keep up on LLM prefill (compute bound), but the memory bandwidth means that decode is going to be a lot slower, most likely?
brandall10 15 hours ago|||
It's a base M6 chip. The Pro doubles that, and the Max doubles again. And the Ultra doubles yet again. This is how the entire M series has always worked.

So the theoretical Max would be 680GB/s.

booty 13 hours ago||
It's also absolutely wild that you apparently cannot spec one with more than 32GB, for any amount of money? Wow.

Not that I blame Apple here, for once. Seems like they're trying to cope with the limited quantity of RAM they can procure. And with the paltry bandwidth (170GB/s) of these CPUs they're a bad choice for anything but tiny local models anyway.

Schiendelman 12 hours ago|||
That's for the base model M6. The Pro can take more, the Max even more, the Ultra the most.

They're not making those models for the M6 though; they rerouted their resources to making M7 faster at running local LLMs.

If you want more bandwidth, get an M5 Pro, Max, or Ultra. If you want a lower power base model, get the M6. If you want to have your cake and eat it too, wait for the M7, reportedly in the spring.

dannyw 7 hours ago|||
Umm yes, the M6 chip only has a certain amount of memory controllers and channels, which means you can only have so many LPDDR5X modules.

Yes, high-capacity LPDDR5X are made and do exist, but for all practical intents and purposes, you can't buy enough of them to deliver to customers at Apple scale.

npalli 10 hours ago||
This is a strange release. The M6 tops out at 32GB RAM and then you fall back to M5/Pro. Kinda midway between an Air and a true Pro. Only 14" no 16" with M6.
kristianp 8 hours ago|
The lack of a 16" model for the M6 is consistent with Apple's current minimum of M5 Pro chip.
flohofwoe 15 hours ago||
Hmm, still no OLED displays? I wonder what's the holdup? (I have a fairly mainstream PC laptop with OLED display, and the display is the one thing where my MBP looks pretty poor in direct comparison).
yuhao2dai 14 hours ago|
wait till tomorrow's touch screen
danso 14 hours ago||
Just now realizing there's a difference between "MacBook Pro with M# chip" and "MacBook Pro with M# Pro chip". Was curious to see how my MBP with M4 Pro compared, and I saw it has 273 gb/s memory bandwidth compared to the MBP M6 (sans Pro)'s 170gb/s. Makes sense that "Pro" in the laptop model doesn't also describe the chip, but only if you remember that the non-pro "Macbook" line stopped in 2017 (which was the last time I went shopping for Apple laptops until buying the MBP4)

https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/?modelList=MacBook-Neo-A18...

solatic 11 hours ago|
The "Pro" in MacBook Pro has slowly degraded to "it comes with a fan so that the chip can keep chugging when it gets a hard workload, unlike the MacBook Air where the chip will throttle since there's no fan".
aldonius 1 hour ago||
Screen, ports too (to be fair I've used the HDMI port about 5 times, and the card reader never).

The base model chip on the Air is binned too - 8 GPU cores on the Air vs 10 on the Pro.

watersb 7 hours ago||
The text of this product's announcement really tries to sell it as a 10x AI performance upgrade for existing MacBook M1 users.

Ok, plausible number for that use case. Striking how it seems like the M-series Macs are almost too good enough for most people.

It's almost desperate prose.

(The AI image processing in Pixelmator Pro saved me hours of work on a recent project. Two button clicks vs a day of tweaking. But even that was on my M1 MacBook Air.)

martin_a 13 hours ago||
As lots of Apple Users are in here: I'm thinking about "sidegrading", my M2 Pro runs fine, but I chose 16 GB/512 GB when I bought it and I think 32 GB/1 TB would be nicer in some cases.

Is it easily possible to sidegrade/upgrade with a Timemachine backup?

trollbridge 13 hours ago||
Yes. Make sure both source and destination are the same macOS version. I use 27.0.1, you could upgrade to 27.2 first though.

Then do a fresh install on your new system and then use Migration Assistant. Use a USB-4 or a Thunderbolt cable to speed it up.

OzzyB 13 hours ago|||
yes, if your plugged into the Apple Ecosystem, upgrading to a new machine is a breeze, done it many times
ebbi 12 hours ago||
I'm in the exact same boat as you, exact same specs. CPU/GPU holding up perfectly for my use cases, but 512GB is tough to manage now.
relaxatorium 15 hours ago||
Is this an odd rollout for their actual high end MacBook Pros, or is this sitting in that space where they like to have a base MacBook Pro between their Airs and the expensive MacBook Extremely Pros?

Just the standard chip without Pro/Max makes me assume this is that base one. If so, the price is way high for where that tends to sit, but welcome to buying a computer in 2026 I guess.

swiftcoder 12 hours ago||
> Is this an odd rollout for their actual high end MacBook Pros

It's the same rollout they've used for a couple of generations now. First the base model chips in fall, then the pro/max versions in spring

wpm 14 hours ago||
This is the base one. You get a better display, more, faster Thunderbolt ports, and an honest to god HDMI port, plus some fans for cooling on long running processes that you don't get with the M6 Air (which also doesn't exist).
swyx 14 hours ago||
i think also better general support for multi screen setup
SXX 11 hours ago||
Quite messy and wonky as in Linus Tech Tips testing. Require plugging displays in right order to get desired resolution / refresh rate.
macrolab 7 hours ago||
I have a 14 inch M1 MBP running fine up to this day. 16G RAM, 1T SSD. I don't know if I ever will need to replace it.
y1n0 3 hours ago|
You will if you use macos and want to stay supported. On the other hand, being an M1 puts you squarely in Asahi supported territory.
yoz-y 5 hours ago||
I am due to an upgrade (still using the 2019 intel). However I am torn between a M5 Pro with 48 Gigs of ram or waiting for M6 pro. I’d really like to run local models for once.
pazimzadeh 5 hours ago|
won't be an M6 pro, they are saving the ram and other components for the M7 series
ritzaco 16 hours ago|
> Phenomenal battery life: In addition to the huge leap in performance, battery life gets up to 14 additional hours for Intel-based upgraders

the m2/m3 announcements were already kind of cringe to keep saying 'HEY IT'S BETTER THAN INTEL' but at this point it's just embarrassing?

Grombobulous 16 hours ago||
Fun fact: the laptop in this size/performance class with the best battery life is a Windows Intel Core Ultra Series 3 laptop, not a MacBook Pro!

So Apple is now comparing against computers they were selling 7-8 years ago rather than what Intel is delivering now.

zuhsetaqi 12 hours ago|||
> Fun fact: the laptop in this size/performance class with the best battery life is a Windows Intel Core Ultra Series 3 laptop, not a MacBook Pro!

Source for that fun fact?

cromka 8 hours ago||
I think they refer to low-tier Wildcat which, indeed, is more efficient than Apple's CPU in Neo, which they typically get compared against.
BugsJustFindMe 14 hours ago||||
> Apple is now comparing against computers they were selling 7-8 years ago

Apple didn't fully stop selling Intel macs until June 2023. And they compare against the most recent previous model too.

asimovDev 40 minutes ago||
in 2023 they were only selling desktop Intel Macs. I am pretty sure by 2021 they weren't selling Intel laptops unless maybe refurbished
desolate_muffin 10 hours ago||||
last time I checked, every Windows laptop had the absolutely massive caveat that it needed to throttle performance by a ton to have a low enough TDP to compete on battery life. You just cannot match the efficiency of ARM Apple chips with an x86 chip.
sandoze 15 hours ago|||
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wtallis 16 hours ago|||
There's no happy medium here that would satisfy everybody: when they make marketing claims about improvements relative to products from several years ago, they get criticized for not focusing on the improvements relative to last gen (even if those comparisons are also somewhere in the announcement). When they focus on the most recent generations, people complain that it doesn't make sense to upgrade every year.

Just accept that even if you aren't still using an Intel MacBook Pro, the comparison is still relevant to some part of their target market.

They only just dropped support for Intel Macs from this fall's operating system release (but are still doing security patches for the releases that Intel Macs can run). A year from now, it actually will be fairly reasonable to expect them to give up marketing to the holdouts.

anamexis 16 hours ago|||
I would guess there's still quite a lot of people on Intel Macs out there (they were sold 5 years ago), so it is still very much worth it for Apple to market to them.
thibaut_barrere 16 hours ago|||
More people than you think (outside tech) are using Intel Macs at the moment (family computers etc).
jwilcoxson 16 hours ago||
Exactly. A late model Intel Mac is still a perfectly cromulent computer in 2026.
Razengan 15 hours ago||
"cromulent" sounds like such a disgusting word that isn't.

probably because of its adjacency to "corpulent" lol

anamexis 15 hours ago||
The word "cromulent" was coined by the TV show The Simpsons in a gag.

> Mrs. Krabappel: "Embiggens"? I never heard that word before I moved to Springfield.

> Ms. Hoover: I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

But now it has made it into the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

booty 12 hours ago|||
I think it makes sense. Do you think most potential buyers are coming from last year's model, or from laptops that are more like 3-5 years old?

As long as they're clear about the comparisons they're making ("X% more battery life than Y" as opposed to simply ("X% more battery life") I'm good with it.

zaphar 16 hours ago|||
Why? Apple devices have the best battery life in the market right now to my knowledge. It's an important part of the evaluation for a laptop which is the opposite of cringe.
Grombobulous 16 hours ago|||
Actually, they don’t! Intel Core Ultra Series 3 beats Apple laptops as of the M5 on battery life.

IIRC the Framework 13 Pro beats the MacBook Pro at both video streaming tests and office productivity with 300 bits brightness tests. (Framework live-streamed the video playback test, and the office provided productivity tests I referred to were done by Just Josh Tech)

Perhaps the M6 has leapfrogged but that remains to be seen.

dmitrygr 15 hours ago|||
Neither of those have comparable perf
Grombobulous 10 hours ago|||
They do, please look up reviews of Panther Lake 338H/358H. Example: Lenovo Thinkpad X9 15p Aura Edition
dmitrygr 10 hours ago||
I did. I am seeing single core geekbench scores of 2700 compared to my MacBook Air at 3500. This, for a laptop that is thicker and heavier than my air.
asadotzler 7 hours ago||
why tack on the goalpost moving? And geekbench single core isn't the only measure of performance.
dmitrygr 7 hours ago||
in my original post, i said "perf", i am not sure what you imagined, but i am not moving anything, geekbench single core score is a perfectly reasonable thing to measure under the name "perf"
porridgeraisin 16 hours ago||||
In usual developer type tasks, among my friend group what I hear is that panther lake laptops are competitive with M4 laptops. But, M4s do that with a 55Wh battery, whereas most panther lake laptops come with a 70Wh battery. So if you're discussing chip performance per watt then it's probably an edge to apple silicon.
Grombobulous 15 hours ago||
72.4 Wh is the size of the M4 MacBook Pro battery, about the same size as the Framework 13 Pro.

Intel and now Qualcomm are really not far off on performance per watt. Mostly Apple maintains an advantage on single core performance.

The Panther Lake integrated GPU in the X7/X9 SKI is actually faster than the one you get in the base M5.

porridgeraisin 15 hours ago||
You're right. I think I remember those numbers from an Air vs 3xxH comparison.
jwilcoxson 16 hours ago|||
Competition is a beautiful thing.
throwitaway222 15 hours ago||||
I recall seeing some crazy stats like 41+ hours maybe on a snapdragon processor w/windows. I imagine your screen brightness would have to be like 99% dark and not playing videos is my guess.
Guillaume86 15 hours ago|||
That's not what the marketing is saying, they keep comparing to their own super old intel models.
ErneX 15 hours ago||
They want those users to upgrade, I don’t see the problem.
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