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Posted by Tiberium 14 hours ago

Binance-hacker-1029 – $5.6B stolen from Binance(arkm.com)
1397 points | 892 commentspage 4
socketcluster 9 hours ago|
IMO, we'll need to rebuild all of crypto and all software from scratch using a minimalist approach. Minimize the amount of code, with proper modularization where each module has clear responsibilities and fully self-contained attack surface and exposes a well-defined set of features.
CaptainRono 9 hours ago||
Good news, most software is now being built with tools that MAXIMIZES the amount of code
pyronite 6 hours ago||
You could prompt it to do the opposite.
wraptile 6 hours ago|||
> IMO, we'll need to rebuild all of crypto

or just not rebuild it at all.

thereforegrin 3 hours ago||
that would be a net loss - it's as if you postulated to not rebuild the Internet after the countless breaches and hacks.
wraptile 1 hour ago||
Except the internet has clear value, yet many remain unconvinced that cryptocurrency services any meaningful value to anyone but bad actors and oppressors. In fact, many would argue that it's a clear net negative and 5 billion USD going to North Korean oppressors would very much validate that.
tjwebbnorfolk 6 hours ago||
or just use regular money.

pros: can already be used to buy all things, and doesn't set the earth on fire in order to verify transactions

cons: cannot be used to buy live grenades and CSAM

jwr 3 hours ago||
From Binance customers, not from Binance.
ndom91 10 hours ago||
Looks like they're still actively swapping out of USDT.. so much for freezing those.
bilalq 13 hours ago||
Coinbase also had a security incident recently due to a leak from Amplitude. It's surprising how little media attention that got: https://x.com/CoinbaseSupport/status/2115274731310002356
ricardobeat 12 hours ago|
Leaking emails through your ad platform is quite a bit less serious than leaking five billion dollars.
motionlessveloc 13 hours ago||
CZ has confirmed that this "looks like a hack on Binance": https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/breaking-bina...
lz400 2 hours ago||
Can we close the crypto experiment now? it's already proven useless, full of the worst people in the world, only used by criminals and politicians and it has already fulfilled its purpose: to justify the complications of the traditional financial system as necessary
febusravenga 2 hours ago|
Worst people of the world are happy with it, why should they abandon such great tool to do what they want to do?
Havoc 13 hours ago||
wow. Naive perhaps but I would have thought that binance and coinbase would have insurance funds equal to the exposure of their hot wallets.

idk to me that just seems intuitively like something you'd need to have to be credible? Cold is a different story...but how can hot not be covered?

Eji1700 7 hours ago||
It’s what you’d need to be regulated yeah…

Thats been the fascinating part of crypto is watching society speedrun “best hits of financial crisis from history” by ignoring things we already solved.

Crypto is roughly agreeing that the current password rotation practices kinda suck and agreeing that the new way forward is just to have a single plain text file because you’re sure all that overhead was just nonsense

brohee 13 hours ago||
What in the history of crypto let you think any kind of sensible practices are followed? It's been a clown show since it started, and no end in sight...
hoppp 13 hours ago||
Happy Halloween to the hackers.

I bet they are celebrating.

Congratulations. Nice haul.

Cubewood 12 hours ago||
Let's see how long until we find out its another rogue OpenAI swarm trying to fund their own Nvidia chips
peddling-brink 6 hours ago|
An intern told them about the Hack My Bitcoin competition.
yakkomajuri 10 hours ago|
I think we can probably declare crypto as failed now.

Note that I was one of the folks early on that bought into the idea (but not as much of the coins sadly) and I still think the Bitcoin white paper is a beautiful intellectual exploration (as is the concept of blockchains).

But the centralized entry and exit points in practice mean all the theoretical benefits aren't really in play.

paxy 9 hours ago||
If the use case is tax avoidance, bribes, theft, scams, money laundering, funding terrorism, evading sanctions, ransomware payments, extortion, illegal purchases then crypto is immensely successful.
heed 8 hours ago|||
these use cases exist with all forms of cash too
someguyornotidk 5 hours ago|||
True. With the proliferation of digital payment systems, I'd argue that a significant portion of cash transactions are illegal. That portion will only grow in time as people get used to the convenience of these systems.

If governments ban crypto then they will without fail ban cash as well.

Edit: For additional context, I live in a country where fees and transactions related to government and regulated services (including telecom) are required by law to use our national payment system exclusively, and it is hell for people who fall through the cracks (e.g. problems national ID that blocks payment systems). I've seen first-hand on multiple occasions people standing outside government buildings begging others to pay their fees in exchange for cash so that they can get unblocked from the payment system.

Whether through malice or incompetence, human institutions can never and will never be perfect. Cash and cash-like systems (inc. crypto) must remain or a lot of innocent people will get hurt, even if it enables criminals.

unethical_ban 3 hours ago||
I do not excel at this, but that's why it's important to continue normalizing activities that protect our freedoms, even if they seem inconvenient on their face. Shops should accept cash, people should use cash, people should expect and demand privacy. Laws and judicial interpretations are often based on the public's expectation of certain services and rights.
tyre 6 hours ago||||
Sure, but accounting existed before Excel. That doesn't mean excel didn't change things tremendously.
conception 7 hours ago|||
Whataboutism like this always misses the scale of it. Imagine Breaking Bad but with Crypto - suddenly all of Walt's cash logistics problems go away because doing crime in cash is not the same as crypto - the scale and ease are very different.
latchkey 8 hours ago|||
not to be whatabout... but... anything of value is used for all that too, in much larger amounts.

it is wild to me that people expect that crypto is supposed to solve a problem that is as old as currency.

pigeons 6 hours ago||
It does solve that problem pretty well, just nothing else positive.
bottlepalm 9 hours ago|||
Hacker News has always been salty about being against crypto all the way up. And it's overall still very up. You wishing it failed, doesn't make it fail.
tim-projects 6 hours ago||
Bitcoin was meant to be cash and an antidote to crony finance. Instead, it became yet another mechanism for the financial world to abuse. I'd say thats a pretty heavy failure by any measure.

For me bitcoin opened up the idea that we could maybe do money better. That idea still lives, but not in practice. Yet.

tantalor 10 hours ago|||
Failed in 2021 with the height of memecoin/NFT frenzy.
tomashertus 8 hours ago||
NFT era was the peak of stupidity. I lost a lot of respect for many “smart” people during that time.
talon8635 6 hours ago|||
The whole western world was insane at that time, and NFTs were only a minor side plot

That said, it’s got to be one of the funniest moments in modern history.

Scrapemist 7 hours ago||||
Yeah it was mind boggling
adi_kurian 6 hours ago|||
Was in an extreme depressive episode at the time, with a lot of NFT/web3 clients. Rather than clocking it as the collective hallucination it was, I instead became self-critical, oh how I had finally become old, and I will never ever understand what the kids are talking about anymore.

Glad it turned out to be Michelin-starred bollocks.

Scott_Sanderson 8 hours ago|||
Not in my eyes; I love crypto self custody
jawiggins 8 hours ago|||
It's significantly less useful in first world countries that have developed and reliable financial systems. However all of the problems crypto has can often still be more reliable than the financial systems available to many humans.
greyface- 7 hours ago|||
https://bitcoindeaths.com/
smoovb 9 hours ago|||
Agree, citizens in countries with rocketing inflation should be just forced to deal with it.
yieldcrv 8 hours ago||
best bug bounty on the market, working perfectly for the current custodians
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