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Posted by taubek 23 hours ago

Cisco gives engineer unlimited AI tokens to rewrite legacy code(fortune.com)
212 points | 262 commentspage 5
snov 13 hours ago|
What's so special about the other 2%, is it good?
fwlr 9 hours ago||
This decision is about so many things except the code that it deserves some kind of award.

Demonstrates fanatical devotion to capital’s golden idol - “yes, all of the code; yes, unlimited budget”. Doesn’t actually cost the company anything - only one engineer off task, any nuggets of value can be harvested as it progresses but any costs or big changes can be deferred until completion of the impossibly large open-ended mandate (ie never), one guy won’t have the personal bandwidth to spend so much that the “unlimited” part actually matters, and in case of emergency it only costs six months severance to make it all go away. It even rescues a fellow national from the ignominy of being employed so far below his previous station, there’s so much to like about it. Hmm? The code? What about it?

rogerrogerr 8 hours ago||
> one guy won’t have the personal bandwidth to spend so much that the “unlimited” part actually matters

I see you haven’t met my coworkers and their fanatical use of parallel “workflows”

sneak 8 hours ago||
> one guy won’t have the personal bandwidth to spend so much that the “unlimited” part actually matters,

Tell me you don’t use agents effectively without telling me you don’t use agents effectively.

stanmancan 8 hours ago||
Please explain your work flow!
noosphr 7 hours ago|||
You set the agents against themselves and burn tokens like there's no tomorrow.

The feeling of coding like that is a bit like realizing that an elevator is 10cm of aluminum and a 100 meters of empty space under your feet.

After the first few bouts of existential dread you get uses to it.

sneak 5 hours ago|||
I write a spec by speaking, not much thought given to grammar and sentence structure. I over-describe concepts, over-describe functionality. A lot of repetition of details and concepts. The audience is not a human. Whisper converts it to text.

Lightly manually edit for speech rec failures.

LLM takes that and converts it into a much much denser, much more structured technical spec in markdown. This is issue 1 in the repo.

I edit this directly extensively, adding detail, removing misconceptions, adding sections with more dictated text.

LLM takes this and further densifies it, closer to an actual implementor’s spec. I carefully note what got added, removed, edited in this step.

I edit this carefully and extensively again. Some removals get added back, some additions get removed. This is the first commit and closes issue 1.

I then have an LLM write an implementation plan and basic project scaffolding. Makefiles, smoke tests, logging, test framework, DI. I edit the plan, and the plan is the second commit. An LLM uses both plus scaffolding plus my repo policy documents (global) to write a README. We’re still single threaded.

An agent files the first n top level implementation tickets. These refer to and sometimes quote any interface contracts in the spec or implementation plan. These usually map 1-to-1 to a module/directory. These sometimes have stub commits to create the module directory and commit interface definitions. Some larger modules have a README in their module directory if their purpose or structure or inputs or outputs are complicated or non-obvious.

Parallel agents write commit level issues that are the task items for each top level implementation ticket. One agent per module.

Then, spawn parallel agents with detailed global instructions, the full spec+plan, and the full readme, and the full code from the module it is working in, plus the issue text. Its output is a single commit on the feature branch and a PR that closes out one feature ticket.

This spawns an adversarial reviewer which has detailed agent instructions as well as our code style guides and repo policies. The scaffolding includes tests and linting and checks. Any failures spawn rework agents until the feature branch is up to snuff.

I review the feature branch diff and merge it, having read the review and rework comments on the PR. I frequently add comments about the implementation (“don’t do x, do y”) and add WIP: back to loop it back for more rework. I don’t see anything that isn’t green, formatted, passes linting, passes tests, and a (dumb) bot thinks is ready to land. Most of the time, it is. Sometimes, it did it the wrong way and I correct it.

The more modular the code, the easier it is to parallelize (obviously). It is ridiculously easy to build large software quickly now, provided it is sufficiently modular so the implementation doesn’t have to cross modules very much. The detailed spec and implementation plan up front helps a lot with this. It’s a lot like writing multithreaded programs really.

Any bugs discovered are tackled with strict TDD, one commit with a failing test, one bugfix commit that must be green and not touch the test.

Individual modules must conform to good contracts, meet best OOP practices, and fit into context. Too big and they get broken down further. Context size is actually a useful constraint for code structure here.

This workflow, the code standards, the styleguide, the linter settings, the fmt settings (obviously only applicable to non-Go as the Go fmt is not configurable), everything is global and stored in another repo and is vendored into each AI managed project repo. It has a fair bit of “I shouldn’t have to say this, but…” stuff (in the style of “fire codes are written in blood” - each warning sign came from experience).

My results are quite good. It’s as the saying goes, much like managing a team of junior devs. It is easy to end up with a LOT of parallel implementors, reviewers, reworkers, and tons of CI, but it’s still so much vastly cheaper than humans that it doesn’t matter.

Someone will make a LOT of money wringing out the inefficiencies from this workflow, because I think the “agent as replacement for third-world contracted junior dev” model is the one almost everyone is using right now.

dfedbeef 11 hours ago||
Literally anyone can do this
mawadev 7 hours ago||
Claude make the Cisco ACI webui load in less than 10 minutes, make no mistakes
paaloeye 7 hours ago|
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measurablefunc 13 hours ago||
They need to cut cost & to figure out productivity per engineer. They're doing this b/c they are going to significantly cut their engineer workforce.
simonw 22 hours ago||
"According to a report by Fortune" - here's that report: https://fortune.com/2026/10/30/cisco-president-jeetu-patel-g...

Fortune's source was the CEO himself:

> “I’ve given him unlimited tokens because he’s going to refactor code,” Patel told Fortune at a small roundtable dinner. “So I’m like, you can go, you can go nuts.”

I think that Fortune story is better than the Tom's Hardware one. It ties the Cisco anecdote into a larger trend of some people deliberately hiring younger, less experienced developers for their AI projects - because they are more likely to be "AI native".

blazarquasar 11 hours ago||
Not the CEO. He’s the product officer.
what 9 hours ago|||
Yes, I’m sure the Indian man at Cisco acquired a translation company founded by another Indian man because he’s young and AI native, not for any other reason.
rasz 21 hours ago||
more like AI naive
simonw 20 hours ago||
Sadly, I think the label "AI naïve" is better applied to the many experienced professionals who refuse to engage with AI systems as a matter of principle - or who tried out ChatGPT in 2024, saw it make howlingly obvious errors, and wrote off the entire category.

I frequently find myself in conversations with people who are resistant to AI and turn out to have a very skewed idea of what it can and cannot do.

202508042147 2 hours ago||
> or who tried out ChatGPT in 2024, saw it make howlingly obvious errors, and wrote off the entire category.

Or they were reading your comments and articles and couldn't reproduce any of the fantastic results that you were claiming, even back then. Things have indeed changed since the first Opus release about a year ago and LLMs are good at programming now. But still, experienced professionals are not so keen to sign off 1000s of lines of code that they never read, take responsibility for it etc. Also, it is a different job and it will take some time to adjust. Can you blame them?

Moreover, other trades have their own guilds or are otherwise protected through regulation. Can you blame programmers for fighting to keep doing things as they were doing it until recently?

simonw 15 minutes ago||
Given that I've shared almost every prompt I've used since I started publishing about this stuff over four years ago I think I've given people a better chance of replicating my results than pretty much anyone else writing about this space.

What did you have trouble replicating?

> Also, it is a different job and it will take some time to adjust. Can you blame them?

Not in the slightest. This stuff is really hard. The changes it makes to our production are disruptive and, in many cases, unwelcome.

jeffybefffy519 13 hours ago||
its never unlimited....
ChrisArchitect 21 hours ago||
Source: https://fortune.com/2026/10/30/cisco-president-jeetu-patel-g... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50303001)
rasz 21 hours ago||
Maybe Stanford found some more of their stolen code being used by Cisco. /s Cisco origins is a fascinating subject.
tamimio 11 hours ago|
If i was an ex founder and having a low profile in a big company, I am doing it on purpose, either to have a peaceful life or heal from a burnout, definitely I don’t want to be on the spot like that, especially when I am not innovating anything new nor I will take any meaningful credit after since it will mostly go to AI, worse, if it didn’t work out I will have my career ruined being known to had an unlimited supply of tokens and still failed.
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