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Posted by LecroJS 17 hours ago

Ask HN: Which TV do you recommend for privacy?

I haven’t owned a TV in years and would like one that respects my privacy. Are there any TV’s which do this well? I am looking for something in the 60”to 80”range and would like a 4k display with at least 60hz display. I don’t mind paying a premium.

I have heard good things about Apple TV as a better alternative to most smart TV native apps. Would some TV’s pair better with this than others for privacy? I don’t want the TV doing anything other than being the display for Apple TV.

I am curious what success others have had.

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gargs 4 hours ago|
The Apple TV itself might be more privacy friendly or open about policies, but I have no reason to believe that any streaming app you’d install on it would provide for more privacy than the app installed directly on the TV.
rbanffy 4 hours ago|
At least they won’t record you, which is something others won’t promise, and, if they did, I wouldn’t trust them.
KellyCriterion 5 hours ago||
OT:

There are several videos on YT regarding removing all this Ad/Spy/Bloatware from "smart" TVs using Claude and only a few prompts: Actually, it should be very easy for most poeple here on HN to do this as Ive found some videos which seem to be done by "non techies" and they were successful.

krb5 2 hours ago||
LineageOS TV is pretty good, just hook it into a non smart TV with HDMI CEC
albert_e 3 hours ago||
Curious -- Does Samsung smart TV (circa 2019) allow us to root? Where can I find the community and tools around Samsung devices.
morphle 11 hours ago||
Paul Graham in his keynote speech at PyCon[1] bolted an iMac to the wall as TV.

I use a Mac Mini M4 and a huge 300 euro 4K screen as my TV. much better than an Apple TV and no spying or ads at all.

Best TV in my life, a user friendly computer.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ITLdmfdLI

drnick1 14 hours ago||
Some good answers here already. Step 1 is always not to connect the TV to the Internet. You can go further and remove the WiFi daughterboard and/or desolder the chip.

Step 2 is to connect a TV box, but if you replace Samsumg, LG, or Google by Apple or Amazon, you have made no progress at all towards privacy.

Having researched this topic extensively, there are two main options for real user control and privacy. First, you can run an ordinary Linux distro on a mini PC, with a "launcher" such as Plasma Bigscreen. It's fine with an airmouse, but you will be mostly running upscaled desktop apps that aren't remote or controller friendly.

The best solution is actually to keep the mini PC and compile Lineage OS (Android TV 17) for a generic x86 target. This is a true degoogled Android TV distro that can, with some more hacking, run any ARM TV app from F-Droid, Aurora or other source. It is by far the best solution in that it is a true 10-foot UX and is compatible with almost all TV apk apps out there. The downside is that this not exist off-the-shelf. I spent a couple of days putting this together with Claude and it takes several hours to compile. I also found several upstream bugs in the process and will be submitting patches to the AOSP and Lineage.

mjlee 14 hours ago|
There's a big gap between LG and Samsung, whose terms of service states that they sell your data to advertisers, and Apple, whose privacy policy states that they don't do that. Of course, there's an even bigger gap between Apple who can access your data if they wanted to or were told to and a home brewed Linux media box.

Unless you view privacy as all or nothing, I'd say replacing Google with Apple is progress. I think the majority of people are more upset at the idea of how their data is being sold for advertising than they are concerned about being able to act completely out of sight of any actor.

drnick1 5 hours ago||
> There's a big gap between LG and Samsung, whose terms of service states that they sell your data to advertisers, and Apple, whose privacy policy states that they don't do that.

This may be true, but Apple can change that policy overnight. Apple also won't let you run programs that are not on its store, and won't even give you a Web browser. It's shocking people that people are willing to accept such restrictions. It isn't my hardware if I can't decide what runs on it.

mjlee 3 hours ago||
They could change their policy, but Apple removing privacy protections would be front page news (at least where I get my news).

Is it really shocking to you that people treat their entertainment device as an appliance? Everything I control is something I'm responsible for patching and fixing and adding new features to. I don't mind faffing about with my Linux desktop, but the TV needs to just work.

mr_briggs 11 hours ago||
Personally I opt for projectors; but similar problems arise with the built-in apps. They're just rubbish. My personal preference is to use no abuiltin apps, just use a laptop to access Jellyfin with a Logitech K400 (keyboard with inbuilt trackpad) sitting on my lap.

The next step for me will be setting up a Raspberry PI with Plasma Bigscreen.

qubex 17 hours ago||
I’m sticking with my 2010 Toshiba REGZA until it dies. 1080p is fine for me.
phyzix5761 8 hours ago||
Get a big monitor with all the specs you want and connect it to an old laptop. You can watch whatever you want on there. You can even play video games on your Playstation or XBox if it has an HDMI port.
hedora 8 hours ago|
Show me an example of this monitor. Table stakes to compete with a midrange TV:

- >= 85"

- VESA mount

- 4K @ 120Hz (or better)

- < $2K

- "infinite" contrast ratio

phyzix5761 8 hours ago||
Not sure where you're getting those requirements. OP said 60-80 inches, 4k with at least 60hz, and they said "I don’t mind paying a premium". They also never mentioned a VESA mount or "infinite" contrast ratio.

There are lots of monitors that fit OP's description.

hedora 7 hours ago||
There are a dozen TVs at any decent big box store that meet those specs, and roughly zero monitors, even if you look online.

Seriously: Name one counterexample.

pmlnr 4 hours ago|||
Here's a 75" monitor after 1 single search: https://www.dell.com/en-gb/shop/monitors/apd/dell-pro-p-75-4...

Yes, it's only 60Hz, but again, 1 search.

phyzix5761 3 hours ago|||
LG 65EP5Q
beej71 17 hours ago|
I don't know how true it still is, but dumb TVs have traditionally been marketed as "commercial displays". You'll pay more and have to bring your own media, of course.
HelloUsername 17 hours ago|
> commercial displays

These are generally meant to display (static) advertisement media, you'll have a false experience watching movies or playing games on them.

pdimitar 16 hours ago||
What is "a false experience"?
jaggederest 16 hours ago||
I believe those displays intended for static advertising etc are not set up for good refresh rate or cinema viewing, so they'll have very poor e.g. ghosting during action sequences, low contrast ratios, a lot like a LCD TV from the early 2000s.
pdimitar 16 hours ago||
Ah, I see. I saw some do that in front of fashion shops or jewelries, yep.
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