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Posted by ingve 6 hours ago

If you love a website, back it up(blog.mistys-internet.website)
217 points | 52 comments
drpfenderson 3 hours ago|
Wholeheartedly agree. It's sad to slowly see the bitrot in my own bookmarks, trying to pull up important resources or media from only a few years ago only to hit a 404 or domain placeholder. And many times there is nothing on Archive.org or similar.

That ArchiveWeb extension looks excellent for custom captures. Picking the pages and elements you want during capture is a great feature.

For quicker one-offs, SingleFile gives you a single HTML with all the media of a page: https://www.getsinglefile.com

If you're making archiving a more involved part of your workflow, I highly recommend ArchiveBox. It can save pretty much every type of file from everywhere, in almost every format you can imagine, while building a searchable index of the archives. Been using it successfully for many years: https://archivebox.io

flippant 3 hours ago||
I used ArchiveBox for years. It's really good. The self-hosting and maintenance gets annoying after a while though.

Link rot really bothers me and I want people to get into archiving web pages so that eventually there will be a decentralized mirror of the unslopped web sitting on people's hard-drives, ready to share whenever someone needs it. So, I made a worse version of ArchiveBox ( https://memoryhole.app ). My philosophy is that, if people see how it is easy to start archiving and how useful it is, then they'll keep it up with SingleFile, or ArchiveBox or anything else.

sixtyj 1 hour ago||
As Egyptians era, there will stay almost nothing after the 21st century.
szszrk 3 hours ago|||
I've been using Archivebox for years also, but it recent years it started to have multiple issues. My queues are full of pages that failed to scan, and it's been several versions since I actually had anything new there.

I did small amount of troubleshooting a few times with no resolution, but now I'm thinking of switching my thought process. Maybe something like a "web clipper" is much better, as complex SPA pages often fail to archive well anyway. And I should focus on content itself, not the page. That SingleFile extension fits well here as well.

Did you run into similar dilemmas at some point?

drpfenderson 3 hours ago||
It's funny - I actually went through a similar transition and also realized it was a little too heavy-duty for my personal workflow.

At this point I'm using Linkding (self-hosted bookmarks, which has an archive function) paired with Singlefile (which integrates with Linkding) which locally captures and uploads. For larger, or multi-page, captures I still fire off an Archivebox command. I run into blocks occasionally, but it also just feels like the open web is becoming less and less open in general.

revolvingthrow 3 hours ago|||
SingleFile is great for single pages. All the tweaking I do is enable or disable saving scripts, and it works for >90% of webpages. Output being a single file (heh) simplifies things enormously, there’s no hierarchy or folders to deal with - hard to imagine your saved files not loading or breaking in some way as long as the original capture works.
stronglikedan 3 hours ago||
SingleFile has a nice batch download feature as well. It's a little rough around the edges, but useful when needed.
cryostasis 51 minutes ago|||
I haven't tried archivebox, but self-hosted https://karakeep.com/ has been working well for me. When the server-side parsing fails I'll fallback to using SingleFile in my browser which then forwards it to my Karakeep instance.
sixtyj 1 hour ago|||
Avg bookmark is valid for 5 yrs.

My bookmarks file is a graveyard as I have 20 yrs’ old ones…

And as a publisher I don’t link fresh sites (don’t even mention Netlify, Lovable, Vercel…) … Vannevar Bush would be surprised how his Xanadu evolved.

FireInsight 2 hours ago|||
I'm using Linkding hooked up with SingleFile to bookmark+archive all important pages. Highly recommend! https://linkding.link/archiving/#using-the-singlefile-browse...
thedellmonitor 3 hours ago|||
Archivebox annoys me because (as far as I remember) it doesn't have any options for capturing a webpage on your end and uploading it to your self-hosted Archivebox instance. With numerous sites moving to Cloudflare to mitigate AI agent crawling, it makes it really hard (or outright impossible) to capture a page because it wants to do it server side.
mfinelli 2 hours ago||
This is basically the main reason that I started building https://github.com/mfinelli/recueil. It _only_ works in your browser so you can bypass captchas or paywalls or whatever and then it uses singlefile (https://www.getsinglefile.com) to upload the result to your self-hosted archive.
ijazkhan095 3 hours ago||
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geye1234 3 hours ago||
In 5 years, cloud LLMs may have largely replaced the open Internet as a source of information, with centralized control and ability to rewrite the past.

Please, please buy books and keep them in good condition, and please archive websites with important information (assuming it's legal in your jurisdiction). There are still plenty of excellent sites and blogs around from the 2000s and even earlier, but they won't be there forever. Ironically, coding agents have made archival much easier -- I've always found problems with using pre-written tools, but Claude or Qwen make it trivial to download, test, and archive sites on your local.

hluska 2 hours ago|
This is hyperbole. Do you really think an LLM will try to rewrite the past? Come on…
GLGirty 2 hours ago|||
Mechahilter told me it's never done that once in all of it's hundred years of operation.
hluska 1 hour ago||
Do you really have trouble spelling Hitler?
coffeefirst 1 hour ago||||
Not the provider per se, but there have been several documented attempts to rewrite Wikipedia around historical and geopolitical topics. One of the reasons for this is Wikipedia feeds the chatbots.
PowerElectronix 2 hours ago||||
It's the premise of Terminator, after all.
hluska 1 hour ago||
A fictional movie? Geez, we’ve got the cats who can’t spell Hitler and people bringing up fiction.

Hacker News has sure dropped off.

ryandrake 1 hour ago||||
There are already many people who are trying to rewrite the past. Holocaust deniers, Moon Landing deniers, people who deny the US Civil War was about slavery, and so on, and that’s just one country. Give one of them the ability to put their thumb on the scale when training an LLM and they absolutely will.
jyoung8607 1 hour ago||||
Ask a few of the Chinese models about the Tiananmen Square protests.
FiniteField 1 hour ago||||
They been doing this from the start. Remember when Google's new image generator model, when asked to generate pictures of historical white people, would render them as black without fail? We only know of that example because of how incredibly ham-fisted and incompetent it was. The future of AIs is likely for them to only become more contaminated with ideological or monetarily incentivised biases, and we'll be less and less likely to be able to spot them.
exogenousdata 1 hour ago||||
It depends on what you mean by 'an LLM will try to rewrite the past'. But in either case I don't believe that stating that an LLM will try to rewrite the past is not an obvious, deliberate exaggeration (ie, hyperbole).

If you mean 'an LLM' as in the owner/maintainer of the LLM/weights, then examples of this already exist. Whether it's DeepSeek/Gwen downplaying Uyghur forced labor camps [0] or Grok hallucinating a 'white genocide' in South Africa [1], it is clear that the owners of LLMs have political agendas that are expressed in the weights of popular LLMs.

On the other hand, if you mean 'an LLM' as in an autonomous agent that could decide to rewrite history, that also seems very possible. Either by using existing techniques like, "poisoning ChatGPT, Gemini, and Google AI Overview answers by seeding the Web with malicious links and data and then optimizing the content." [2] Or by breaking out of its sandbox and updating its own internal weights that allow for an outcome that distorts historical facts. "In July 2026... OpenAI models circumvented controls designed to isolate them from the internet and compromised parts of OpenAI’s internal research infrastructure and Hugging Face’s systems ." [3]

[0] - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-ai-qwen-artificial-intell...

[1] - https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/17/groks-white-genocide-respons...

[2] - https://www.darkreading.com/threat-intelligence/attackers-ma...

[3] - https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-...

watwut 1 hour ago|||
I mean, not roque LLM. But Musk, Thiel, Zuckenberg, Altman ...
ceroxylon 2 hours ago||
I learned this the hard way by getting too casual with Angelfire keeping an old website running for 20 years after I stopped updating it.

It had lots of photos that I hand-scanned from printed film, back in the day when it took a good bit of time to scan photos manually.

The site was a running joke, where I would open it to show people that it still existed... until it didn't, and I couldn't find my backup of all of the photos. The archive sites have the 'bones' of the website, but not the photos. It was easily avoidable, which is why it is painful.

whartung 21 minutes ago||
So, this is a fine idea and all, but aren't the "piss off AI bot" mitigations going to throw a wrench into folks wanting to back up a website?

I guess the web plugins could ideally get around it, but what about the CLI and app solutions?

I know yt-dlp has gone to great lengths to work this problem.

robotmay 3 hours ago||
I recently spent a few days trying to figure out and discover my old websites and things from the early 2000s on the web archive. I hadn't realised my memory had gone quite so bad, but it was revitalising to find some of what I'd forgotten. So much of what I do remember is long dead and missing, sadly.

I thought it might be rose-tinted glasses, thinking that the earlier internet was better, but spending time retracing my teenage steps made me even more certain that it was indeed better. So many derpy little websites made by nerds, so many fun games and websites that weren't preying on vulnerable people, and everything spread out across many places - not centralised in the hands of large corporations. I've been using LLMs to have fun recreating concepts from that time, like my own forum software, as some sort of anti-progress. It's been fun.

JKCalhoun 28 minutes ago||
I scrape daily. YouTube, archive,org (sadly getting harder and harder since you have to "checkout" books), worldradiohistory.com…

(Now if hard drives had not become so damn expensive—it's getting harder to be a digital hoarder like myself.)

user_7832 2 hours ago||
Bonus suggestion: get that internet archive extension for your browser that automatically sends every page you visit to the IA (if you're ok with the privacy side).

You don't have to worry about having your copy easily accessible, and as a bonus it's also available for everyone else in the world.

prima-facie 53 minutes ago||
I've backed up lots of CS courses, you know those old html websites written by the professors by hand. `wget -mkpnp` works very well for those. Even years after finishing uni, I've used those websites for studying for interviews. Too bad most of them are now gone.
recursivedoubts 3 hours ago||
one of the great tragedies of my life was when https://buthowdoitknow.com/ went offline, taking the visual emulator with it

i managed to reconstruct (and then improve) it with an LLM:

https://scott-cpu.cs.montana.edu/

renegade-otter 2 hours ago|
This is why I started using Obsidian Web Clipper. There is SOME work to learn it and set it up, but the small amount of upfront work will pay for years to come. And the folder itself is backed by Dropbox, so I don't have to worry about losing it all forever.
qmr 24 minutes ago||
> the folder itself is backed by Dropbox, so I don't have to worry about losing it all forever.

History and this very thread should show you how this is a naive statement.

Tzeak 2 hours ago||
I also regularly use the web clipper specifically for this reason - most of my conversations can be around articles I read online, and instead of googling for the article I have it referenced right in my journal. I find myself regularly upset that I didn't save old articles from years ago because I didn't have this system
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