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Posted by jameslk 3 hours ago

Tell HN: Gemini trains on chat history, even for subscribers (personal accounts)

If you have a personal Google AI subscription, all your saved chat history in Gemini can be used for training and there is no way to opt out unless you turn off chat history or use temporary chat sessions. These chat transcripts may even be read by human reviewers. Although Google claims to disconnect them from your account when human-reviewed, they explicitly warn not to enter confidential information.

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16836988

“[Gemini app activity] is used to improve Google services for everyone, including by training generative AI models, if your Keep Activity setting is on.“

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?hl=en#human_review

“A subset of chats are reviewed by human reviewers”

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?hl=en#pn_retain_data

“Chats reviewed by human reviewers [...] are not deleted when you delete your activity. Instead, they are retained for up to three years.”

https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?hl=en#pn_data_usage

“Please don’t enter confidential information that you wouldn’t want a reviewer to see or Google to use to improve our services, including machine-learning technologies.”

To disable their training on your chat sessions, you need to turn off “Keep Activity” in Gemini’s settings. Turning that off means you’ll lose any chat sessions after 72 hours.

I learned this too late, thinking that having a paid subscription = not being turned into the product. Apparently paying is not enough.

Thank you to this user on HN for mentioning in another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50355424

138 points | 41 commentspage 2
frevib 2 hours ago|
If a company can do something that benefits them, and there is no way the customer can find out or prove that, the company will do it.
croisillon 2 hours ago||
training on "no i don't need google search to nurse me after a breakup, i was just asking what movie has the line she just dumped me"
icantevenhold 2 hours ago||
I assume that everyone does this no matter what they say. Seems like too juicy a target
2III7 2 hours ago|
Obviously anthropic are doing this. Hence their "don't insult Claude too much" policy.
realsarm 2 hours ago||
Then people are totally fine puting all sort of private stuff in Notebooklm or Gemini notebook.
advenn 2 hours ago||
that's why i don't use gemini for anything serious or personal. if you want persistant memory you should enable keep activity, but keeping activity allows google to use your chats.
whycome 2 hours ago||
It's just keeping track of all the times you were mean
jbrooks84 2 hours ago||
Every AI trains on the input given to it
Havoc 1 hour ago|
This is false.

eg Gemini enterprise has a note under each chat session explicitly saying it’s not used to improve the models

hosteur 1 hour ago||
Never trust google.
EbNar 1 hour ago||
This is one of the reasons why I unsubscribed from Gemini Pro, apart from the fact that the experience with Gemini has been frankly underwhelming.
wewewedxfgdf 2 hours ago|
It might matter if Gemini was good enough to use but its not - I only use ChatGPT and Claude.
Haven880 1 hour ago||
Their recent Argon is weak as well. But then they promise Carbon going to be world changing. Yeah sure.
kuboble 2 hours ago||
For daily chat gemini is great.

actually even gemma locally is great for a lot of chat purposes.

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