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Posted by alkyon 4 hours ago

Geoffrey Hinton: it might turn out we were better off without AI(www.theguardian.com)
155 points | 101 commentspage 3
xnx 3 hours ago|
This is a bit like Rudolf Diesel saying maybe we're better off without airplanes. The field has long since left this guy behind.
coldtea 2 hours ago||
If the resulting issues are correct it doesn't matter whether the field left the guy behind or not.

He would still be right and the field practioners would be wrong.

Towaway69 2 hours ago||
So pumping CO2 into the atmosphere is a good thing and if someone does a backflip by recognising their mistakes that is a bad thing?
reverius42 2 hours ago|||
We should regulate data centers to require fully renewable power (solar/wind/hydro + battery).
vixen99 1 hour ago|||
This is tangential encouraged by your point and other forays here. But one does wonder what arguments politicians (the power lies with them) understand when they make their pronouncements. The UK has for instance, prior to the new administration, totally and vociferously supported net zero. From the point of view (a fact for many but not for all informed authorities) that climate change is caused by CO2 and we are headed for a disaster - Net Zero is a logical step to trying to save humanity and the whole ecosystem. Now (November) I read that the UK powers that be, appear to have put it aside in actions at least. Countdown to Net Zero doesn't matter any more; open the oil fields, get rid of subsidies for photovoltaic and wind - and other measures. My point is not a political jibe but a stance I suspect to apply in other areas. Is climate change going to be a catastrophe or not? They should make up their minds.
spwa4 3 hours ago||
I guess capsule network haven't improved ...
sota_pop 1 hour ago|
I actually laughed out loud.

I do find capsules interesting though.

ftchd 1 hour ago||
What is the point of this quote? Or any of his quotes for that matter.
deadbabe 2 hours ago||
We should introduce regulation so only credentialed software engineers are allowed to use AI.
harvey9 1 hour ago||
I would rather see the onus on the company owners to be responsible for what they sell. Serious penalties for seriously bad products.
carlosjobim 1 hour ago|||
Absolutely! And software engineer should be an hereditary title as well.
jdw64 2 hours ago||
In East Asian countries, certification systems are still maintained, but in reality they're practically meaningless. If a certification system exists, people will take an interest in CS and work harder at it, or so you'd think—but in reality, the exam questions end up stuck in the old style. In other words, there's a big gap between the exams and the actual field.

Because a certification has to be fixed at a particular point in time. Korea's certification exams start with the 23 GoF patterns and go on to rote memorization of countless patterns and layered terminology.

The problem is that the way you learn for this certification is the old way, so someone who gets the certification ends up writing legacy code.

But if you always update the questions to the latest, then nobody can pass the certification. So, having seen how the certification system works in East Asia, I don't think it's all that good

sneak 2 hours ago||
It might turn out we were better off without nuclear weapons, but so far I’m happy we haven’t had another world war (in the traditional “total war” sense).

No way to tell until after, though. So far, mutually assured destruction is working. It works until it doesn’t.

Same with AI. Thus far we’re better off with it than without it. That may change.

I mean, look what we did with fossil fuels. Some people are even still willingly burning them, even though the data is clear that our use of them has already started the total destruction of our civilization.

Is there a name for this, a technology that is so insanely useful that there is no way we won’t exploit it, but where the worst case scenario is total collapse, and impossible to determine well in advance?

(Fossil fuels I suppose don’t count as even the energy companies knew unambiguously decades ago that large scale use would eventually bake the entire agricultural system out of existence.)

coldtea 2 hours ago||
>so far I’m happy we haven’t had another world war

The reason for that was more that the 3-4 great empires involved in the previous two were exhausted, Japan was defeated, China was in no shape, and US vs USSR had no reason to push for one, since the Cold War era gave them plenty of breathing room, roughly half the world each.

bob001 52 minutes ago||
> roughly half the world each.

Both the USSR and US fought multiple wars directly against the proxies of the other. They weren't simply hanging back and letting others do the dirty work. In most any other era one of those would have become a full blown war between the two. Both sides pushed the line of not directly involved and then both sides looked the other way versus escalating. Nukes made the alternative too much of a risk for both sides.

drix10 2 hours ago||
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throwthrowuknow 3 hours ago||
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neonnoodle 3 hours ago||
oh word?
jjgreen 4 hours ago||
The scene is bleak, silent, desert-like with a few dead trees bleached white by unfiltered UV. Nothing moves. In the distance a cave, and from that cave

... no shit Sherlock

bluebarbet 3 hours ago|
9 minutes. Was that enough time to read the article?
emil-lp 2 hours ago|||
My reader mode says 6–7 minutes, so, yes.

TFA could have been two sentences:

He warns that AI might cause serious problems: power failures, job losses, and greater social inequality.

He believes AI might improve our lives, but governments must make sure it is safe.

catchnear4321 3 hours ago|||
Did you look at it? It wasn’t that long.
ionwake 3 hours ago||
I personally feel reading the article before commenting affects the purity of my vibe before posting
librasteve 3 hours ago||
vibe comments!
dude250711 3 hours ago|
We should have not left the trees. You cannot disrupt banking and power if they do not exist. Checkmate!
olelele 2 hours ago|
The ghost of Douglas Adams has entered the chat
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