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Posted by freetonik 3 days ago

I wish tech companies knew more about me(rakhim.exotext.com)
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d-lowl 3 days ago|
Yeah, the fact that too many websites just ignore language settings/preferences (both system, and browser it seems) is really annoying. Location-based language picking doesn't even make sense in some locations. Like ebay not even giving an option to switch from German to anything else, if you are in Switzerland. They seem to be unaware that Switzerland is a multilingual country?
kakacik 2 days ago|
Don't expect too much from ebay, even effin' google search in 2026 (and certainly 2027 too) cannot figure out I am deeply in french speaking part of Switzerland, and thus it may be better to serve me in french. They do have Swiss offices in Zurich mind you.

I keep my Firefox on mobile (with ublock origin) not logged into my google account. Every second search result since forever I need to add work "english" to it, clearly just english search words are not enough to convince it to give me english-speaking results, all is in german. Sometimes, even that word doesn't switch it.

Its pretty pathetic for otherwise stellar tech company of such scale, and since we are in 2026 clearly not a priority for anybody.

tjansen 3 days ago||
This! I don't mind tech companies knowing things about me. If I don't want them to know, I browse in Safari's anonymous mode.

But I hate it when they suggest things that I don't want.. show me stuff I have already bought.... show me things I already decided against... show me stuff that is not in my price range. That's annoying. I don't mind a good, paid recommendation. I just don't like all the bad recommendations.

ryandrake 3 days ago||
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want my computer suggesting anything to me unless I ask it for suggestions. A computer should be essentially a REPL. It waits for a command. The user inputs its command. The computer processes it. Then the computer loops back to wait. Now we have all sorts of nice GUIs and modes of interaction, but essentially the computer should behave that way: The user should tell it what to do, and it should only do what the user wants.

Any kind of "proactive" behavior on the part of the computer is unwelcome. If I don't command it, I don't expect my computer to do it. This includes ads but it also includes recommendations, and notifications, and "you should do this!" and "try that app!" and everything else modern computers are now throwing at us.

We need to get back to the user being in the driver's seat.

YurgenJurgensen 3 days ago|||
You want them to advertise things you won’t buy; that’s far less bad than them advertising things you shouldn’t buy but might if pushed, which is the ultimate goal of the corporate mind control machine.
tjansen 3 days ago||
You think of it as the corporate mind control machine. I think of it as "oh, I am looking for a new car and completely forgot Subaru is also making cars that fit my profile - I should test drive them as well".
thereader12 1 day ago||
The op was complaining that that is not happening. Maybe a Subaru WRX is perfect for you, maybe you really need a Honda Fit and the WRX kinda technically fits if you force it and the ads mislead you into thinking you need horsepower and awd car for your temperate zone inner city shopping trips.
seizethecheese 3 days ago|||
The issue of you already buying something is interesting to me. It’s so obvious that they’d fix it if it cause revenue loss. My guess is that conversion for any ad is so low that you’re indeed more likely to buy a lot of products twice rather than buying something totally different.
tjansen 2 days ago||
No, it's really difficult for 'them' to find out whether you actually purchased something. All the tracking stuff is on social media and the product browsing pages. But not on checkout. Shopping sites can't allow all that stuff there because of security and privacy issues. So big tech doesn't even know whether you bought something. They only know what you have seen. That's why they keep showing it.
tarxvf 2 days ago||
Conversion tracking is not merely a thing, I'm under the extremely strong impression that it's standard.
tjansen 2 days ago||
The owner of the shopping site can do it. They know which campaign lead to a sell.

But I have never heard of them passing it on to whatever 3rd party trackers they have on their sites. THAT would be a privacy violation.

jolt42 3 days ago|||
At least they aren't showing you something you would be tempted to buy?
tjansen 3 days ago||
That's not always good. If I am looking for a kind of product, and an ad recommends a possibly better product that I didn't know about, both sides benefit from it.
jolt42 3 days ago||
It seems they don't know you already bought it, which... maybe they don't and do you want them to?
mysterydip 3 days ago|||
This happens on places like amazon too, that know I bought a toaster, then show me sponsored results for 50 more toasters.
Tyr42 3 days ago||
I think they theory is that you are more likely to have some sort of buyers remorse and return that toaster and buy a new one than a baseline person is to suddenly buy a toaster.

I'm not sure if that's true, but that's the theory.

efficax 2 days ago||||
that’s literalist what they know. it’s called retargeting and it’s the point of these ad systems, to track what people buy to understand how to link buying patterns to other info about people
IAmBroom 2 days ago|||
If I buy a car, I get flushed with ads for cars. Really. Same for an area rug, a vacuum cleaner, and many other things I will never buy two in a row of.

That's just stupid.

swiftcoder 3 days ago||
> I get shown ads for products I just purchased. All this spying, machine learning, big data result in "he bought a mattress, show him more mattresses".

You know, I had a really long argument about a decade ago with an Amazon senior engineer on the ads side of things about this. I was complaining about repeatedly being shown ads for the same blender I had just purchased (not accessories, not competing products, the exact same blender). And I hit a brick wall of "everybody complains about this, and we've been trying to change this, but every change to this makes the metrics worse".

tonyedgecombe 3 days ago||
Perhaps the ad performance is so poor that selling someone the same thing a second time is the best they can hope for.
MINECRAFT_BIOLO 2 days ago||
Maybe Amazon's generous return policy means people are willing to swap products if shown alternative ones. But surely they already take this into account?
swiftcoder 2 days ago||
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, at least some of the people running ads must be competent, right? I have trouble believing that it's just a flawed incentive structure the whole way down...
vjerancrnjak 2 days ago|||
Sounds like they optimize on the full population and not for individual. Because if they did it for OP well the metrics would improve.

It is just the curse of naive AB testing. Same stuff happens with apps like Duolingo where it is optimized e2e, not personalized, and then they behave as if their approach is sane.

yapfrog 2 days ago|||
My guess is that it's good for repeat purchases. You bought that blender, and if you really liked it, here is an ad to remind you of that model again, just in case you want to buy it as a gift for your relatives, or if you just want to buy a spare or something
cowlevel 2 days ago||
Perhaps their metrics are broken. Perhaps their metric is the percentage of ads that are shown for a thing the customer eventually bought and it doesn't consider whether you bought it before or after seeing the ad.
watwut 3 days ago||
> My user account, system locale, browser locale, and keyboard settings are all set to English. I am logged into Chrome and all Google services. I travel to Germany every few months, and lots of services that I've been using for years suddenly decide I speak German.

This does not require more tracking. This requires LESS tracking - just show the language explicitly requested by the user.

> Netflix on Apple TV asks me to select a user every time I launch it. I've had this account for 15+ years, and never had more than one user on it. I always select the only option there is to select. There is no setting to disable this screen.

This does not require more tracking. Just dont show the screen if there is only one user.

freetonik 3 days ago|
It does not. My point was that even with excessive tracking these companies are incapable of showing me stuff I can read or advertising me things I can, even in theory, buy.
JeppyG 2 days ago||
Recently I had my AIs do a massive deep-dive into all traffic going into and out of my phone. The amount of analytics and data being collected is absurd. Even the Android launcher app I use (Nova) is essentially controlled by an analytics company. Everything you do, even on your home screen, is sent to their servers.
tencentshill 2 days ago|
Nova sold out a while ago, look in to alternatives. Or vibecode one yourself! Seems safe enough if you don't need any online functionality.
JeppyG 2 days ago|||
I ended up indeed putting one together myself. And installed on top of LineageOS.
mystifyingpoi 2 days ago|||
One day they started showing ads in the app list, 15 seconds later I've uninstalled this shit. No mercy for them, sorry. Lawnchair is pretty good.
Animats 2 days ago||
I have enough ad and tracking blocking that the ads I get are totally misdirected. I get ads for drugs for diseases I've never heard of. I get ads for equipment for processing and bottling olive oil in bulk, despite being nowhere near that industry. I get ads from China for very large hydraulic presses, despite not having any great need for metal-forming equipment. And World Dairy Expo wants me to attend, although I don't have any cows.
Novosell 2 days ago|
Where do you get ads if you're using ad blocking?
Animats 2 days ago||
Youtube, and in spam folders.
ano-ther 3 days ago||
Not even tracking, but when I land on a page from a Google search, some sites try to be helpful by steering me to a local site, but the local link does not exist so I end up on the homepage, not the specific help I was looking for.

Adobe and Lenovo are really good at this.

adrian_b 2 days ago||
I agree with the author that it is super annoying when you are assaulted with ads for the things that you have bought recently.

If you have bought them recently, they are the most unlikely things to buy in the near future.

I was actually surprised a few days ago when I have seen for the first time in many years a personalized ad that was useful. When I visited an on-line shop, I was greeted with a message that a product at which I have looked during a previous visit, but which I have not bought, has a 20% price reduction, and at the new price I was indeed interested to buy it.

This kind of notification, about a price reduction, makes sense, but ads for products to which I have looked previously and nothing has changed about them do not achieve any useful purpose. If I bought them I have no need to buy them again, if I did not buy them, this means that I decided that I do not need or want them, so I will not buy them regardless if I see ads for them.

maxrmk 2 days ago||
> If you have bought them recently, they are the most unlikely things to buy in the near future.

I used to work at a big ad company and went and read about this once. Turns out the opposite is true (in general, maybe not for you specifically).

People are really likely to rebuy things. I’m not really sure why, but the numbers don’t lie. Gifts maybe?

edelbitter 2 days ago||
>People are really likely to rebuy things. I’m not really sure why

Time consuming research (starting with filtering out advertising budget powered fake reviews) and short-lived products & brands make personal experience & recommendations a lot more useful. If someone around me has an even remotely similar set of requirements and budget for a product, they are much more likely better off trusting my recommendation and (having me) order another one right away. It used to be less clustered around one person or calendar date, when brands stayed around and kept true to their previous performance for longer. Nowadays I even order duplicates for myself, not because I really need 3 of them in the near-term future, but because I am worried that I will want a replacement in a year and another one the year after.. and I won't find exactly the same then.

cowlevel 2 days ago||
Was the price reduced for everyone or just you?
jimmytehbanana 1 day ago||
Advertising is a numbers game. The goal isn’t to figure out what you want, it’s to make money. Ads are auctioned off in milliseconds to advertisers betting on what you’re likely to buy. They might know you bought something, but that information isn’t always available. They do know you looked at it though. Historically, people who look at something are more likely to buy it. Maybe you’re still shopping, changed your mind, or need another one. Doesn’t really matter as long as the numbers work out.

The UX stuff is pretty obvious. Probably comes down to the time and money involved in implementing and maintaining something better. An engineering problem. The airline stuff is likely an architecture problem. Airlines are notorious for running ancient systems (Windows XP, floppy disks). I’d bet the information is there somewhere, just scattered across a bunch of poorly integrated systems.

Like it or not, AI will probably improve a lot of this. As behavioral analysis and AI-generated customer profiles become more common, these systems will get better at figuring out what you actually want. I wouldn’t be surprised to see advertisers running small models built around individual customers and their behavior. You’ll basically just be a vector in some advertising model. The ads will probably be more relevant, but I’m not sure we’ll be thrilled about how much they know about us.

BigTTYGothGF 3 days ago|
A very odd stance. Personally if I'm going to be tracked and advertised to I want it to be things I have absolutely no interest in, even better if it's in a language I don't speak.
ImPostingOnHN 3 days ago|
Okay, updated the functional spec: occasionally include some ads orthogonal to user interests to prevent backlash to widespread deep surveillance
pocksuppet 3 days ago||
Amazon's recommendation system did this. It would sometimes show random products to make people think the system wasn't as good as it was and to generate funny social media posts featuring Amazon. That's the origin of "people who bought this also bought [unrelated product]" screenshots.
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