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Posted by srean 3 hours ago

The end of Microsoft Research's AI Frontiers group(hunch.net)
https://archive.is/AaY5O

https://businessexaminer.ca/victoria-articles/item/microsoft...

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ansk 2 hours ago|
If you value the freedom to pursue your own research direction and share your work freely, then choose academia. All the perks of working in an industry research role are provided in exchange for this freedom.

If your research aligns with the incentives of industry, you can get the best of both worlds in industry. This was the case for machine learning researchers in the post-AlexNet, pre-ChatGPT era. The good times can't last forever, though.

goodmythical 2 hours ago||
>If you value the freedom to pursue your own research direction and share your work freely, then choose academia

Perhaps it is more free, but my understanding has always been that professional academia still restricts freedom of research. You have to apply for funding, convince the board that your direction will be fruitul.

An archaeologist can't just dig wherever. They compete with their peers for a limitted funding pool. If the school's board is more interested in the bronze age than the paleolithic, you're probably not going to get your dino dig approved.

The same is true for CS, I assume. You can't just "i would like spend university resources developing brainfuck 2.0" because the other teams are more likely to get their funding over you getting yours.

Both corporations and university's have finite budgets, both with bottom lines and margins. The uni wants their research done in a popular field that will attract students because students generate income that funds research that attracts students that generate income that funds research that...

jltsiren 1 hour ago||
Academic research is free in the same sense as running your own business. You can try whatever you want if you can find the funding, but you still have to deal with people and regulations.

Universities are mostly just administrative organizations. They have little control over your research, they rarely fund it, and they are usually not even interested in it.

xondono 2 hours ago|||
That’s not the issue here, it’s not like AIF was doing purely academic work.

They just think it makes sense to explore things, rather than just rinse and repeat with more cash.

The good news for John is that when 99.99% of the competitors are doing all the same, it’s when the rewards for looking around can be the biggest. Those are the real moments for disruption, and companies disregard them at their peril.

aleph_minus_one 2 hours ago|||
> If you value the freedom to pursue your own research direction and share your work freely, then choose academia.

The working environment in academia is often precarious :-( , so such people often have no alternatives to going into industry, even though they still deeply appreciate and are influenced by the values of academia.

srean 2 hours ago|||
I largely agree. For US though, academia has not been a good place lately.
mlazos 1 hour ago||
Wait until you hear where academia gets its funding (hint: it is not no strings attached)
georgeburdell 1 hour ago||
Is this the same group that did ResNet? Bad news
redmaple892 2 hours ago||
The Microsoft AI (MAI) part stood out to me. I bet the politics of being in Mustafa's group were not fun.
alpha_trion 3 hours ago||
Lack of focus and long term planning at MS
brokensegue 2 hours ago||
That's a name I haven't heard in a while
skeledrew 3 hours ago||
New AI lab incoming?
sehw 2 hours ago|
Yeah, in India.
0xbadcafebee 1 hour ago||
Executives chasing short-term returns. Google did 20 years of AI research, even creating custom chips, just so we could get to this point. Without long-term strategy Microsoft will perpetually be the also-ran. (which I guess is fine with shareholders?)
user_7832 1 hour ago||
(In the context of Microsoft Research) Man, the history of how large corps fumble major wins should be studied.

I remember during my thesis how Microsoft Academic (a Google scholar/Scopus alternative) was ridiculously good at its job.

I'm talking, "input the key words and filter out the wrong fields and you've got 20 highly relevant papers that no other search term has found" level.

...Of course, they proceeded to close it down.

I can't even express in words how mad and disappointed I was and still am at Microsoft for this alone. It felt the closest to a genie or an oracle in being amazing. (The old Swype vs modern Gboard is probably a close example for those who'd used both.) It's just... crazy, frustrating, and crazy frustrating.

ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago||
Some more discussion on source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50406589
zodwick 2 hours ago|
Not what i expected, but good read nonetheless
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