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Posted by edward 3 hours ago

Humans will never again create a project like Wikipedia(www.economist.com)
339 points | 265 commentspage 3
pmarreck 2 hours ago|
> faces grave new threats

The biggest threat to it IMHO is internal bias.

JojiDoesCode 2 hours ago|
Agreed. There's been many articles/investigations revealing the ideological capture of a lot of prolific wikipedia editors/contributors.
Gareth321 1 hour ago||
I'm pretty negative on Wikipedia so my reflex was, "good." Wikipedia taught me that history is written by the victors, and today, the victors are the owners of social and news media, and the editors and moderators of Wikipedia. I used to be heavily involved in a page I won't mention, and it was well cited and factually correct. For political reasons, moderators with higher standing than me gradually removed sections, edited them unfairly, and generally vandalised the page. All sanctioned by the Wikipedia process. I learned that my page was FAR from the only page where useful, factual information was removed and edited in dishonest ways for ideological reasons. I have no doubt it's happening all over the site for many reasons. Most people don't see the politics which goes on behind the scenes, and they don't understand how much this undermines the trust in the information. My trust in the site could not be any lower than it is. I trust the parametric knowledge inside LLMs more now.

Honestly, I think knowledge like this is going to organically synchronise with consensus nodes in the very near future. Think of Community Notes on X as a prototype. That doesn't mean everything will be 100% accurate at all times, but I have zero doubt that it will be infinitely better than Wikipedia.

anticrymactic 13 minutes ago||
> a page I won't mention

Please mention the page along with your and the moderators edits together with your objective sources.

Wikipedia is changeable and documentation is the only thing that will lead to change. It is understandable that one grows tired from consistent "ideals>facts" that plague so many "moderated" spaces, but a small final effort by many with such experience can lay the foundation for fresh contributiors to built a better Wikipedia.

speedgoose 30 minutes ago|||
You won't mention the page, but could you give us a hint about what was the topic and the edit war about?
dionian 1 hour ago||
I have the exact same experience in my sphere of research. I found for things like Natural History they tend not to be editorialized so incredibly hard but if you look at anything geopolitics it's insanely bad unless you like the side that they are tilting things towards
totetsu 1 hour ago||
When the counter culture revolution happened (that led to hippies that led to tech utopian idealist that led to free software that led to wikipedia,) it probably seemed a few years earlier just as impossible for anything to change as it does today..
cloudie78 1 hour ago||
No we won’t.

We’ll make something else and more ambitious.

Negativity drives engagement.

wanderer2323 1 hour ago||
A post like this almost certainly means “a project like Wikipedia” is being created right now.
fg137 1 hour ago||
All I want is a crowdsourced site of new car (actual transaction) price in the US. Somehow that hasn't happened yet.
jan_Sate 1 hour ago|
How do you make sure that the reported price's correct? There are incentives for some people to report a misleading price.
GaryBluto 2 hours ago||
I hope they don't. Wikipedia and the Wikimedia foundation is quite dodgy behind the scenes.
UpsideDownRide 2 hours ago||
It shouldn't take away from the benefit the project provides.
account42 2 hours ago||
The work of countless unpaid contributors should not be used to distract from the shady organization profiting off their work.
zhouzhao 2 hours ago||
Wikimedia is the shady organization with the pop-up banners begging for money, yes.

Wikipedia itself is what it is, a library of collective effort.

As much as I despise wikimedia, the worth of wikipedia for humanity is so much more compared to the negative aspects of wikimedia.

MisterMunchkin 2 hours ago||
Yeah it's so ridiculous seeing them ask for "donations" (which they just pocket) when the running costs for the next century are already in the bank.

They pretend it is a charity, but it isn't. It all just goes to shareholders.

xyzzy_plugh 1 hour ago||
"It all just goes to shareholders"

What is this nonsense? It's a non-profit. There are literally no shareholders.

qzagent 1 hour ago||
maybe we dont need a wiki. we needed one when search couldnt summarise anything. now it can, and wikipedia becomes the sources nobody clicks
jkahrs595 1 hour ago|
I refuse to read articles with provably wrong/clickbait titles.
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