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Posted by lairv 22 hours ago

Claude Fable 5.2 and Mythos 5.2(www.anthropic.com)
788 points | 925 commentspage 4
nickalaso 18 hours ago|
(Credit to u/yewenjie for source)> Our first formalization of Fermat’s Last Theorem, performed by an unreleased research version of Claude, took 11 days. It relied on a purpose-built harness along with guidance from a human researcher. By contrast, a team of 1,000 Fable 5.2 agents fully formalized the theorem in just 30 hours, with minimal human intervention. Fable 5.2 started from minimal prompts, built its own ways to coordinate, and used no mathematical references, only a list of intermediate theorem statements to score progress. It needed one-third of the action tokens as our first formalization and produced a proof seven times shorter. As can be seen in the figure below, Opus 5.5 (with the same 1,000-agent setup) completed only 26% of the formalization in 18 hours, and barely made any more progress after 30.

I would imagine Anthropic is hitting a wall on the number of simultaneous agents that can be useful on a task and are working on increasing that maximum. I would assume if they could get twice as much progress by using 10000 simultaneous running fable instances instead, their brief would state that.

IMO, it is very interesting and also very alarming. At some point the barrier to the exponential progress is the amount of computation available. The average human is limited in the number of 'human instances' he or she can interface with at one time.

if 1000 fable instances is better than any human at a task, how about 1 million instances running? Much easier than finding and hiring and coordinating 1000 extremely productive and intelligent human beings. Much cheaper too, it appears.

We are very close to some very scary things happening. I just recently came to terms with the fact that an AI could code and manage coders faster and better than me, I don't think anyones is ready for what is about to happen.

ETH_start 11 hours ago|
These companies are not developing AI that can replace humans. What AI is being designed for is to fulfil discrete tasks. This is a far cry from acting as an independent economic actor. The latter is something no company wants to develop, because it is dangerous and not suited for something that is meant to be used as a tool (it is actually unethical to bind an independent actor to labor for us).

More broadly, what distinguishes humans from AI is what makes humans dangerous. Our society tolerates the danger humans pose, as it's considered a prerequisite for a free society. But our society would never tolerate this danger from a tool.

aenis 10 hours ago||
> it is actually unethical to bind an independent actor to labor for us

So if I run a script that's unethical? How is a LLM inference loop different than a script?

> But our society would never tolerate this danger from a tool.

Sure about that? Cars kill people, chainsaws kill people, heck, a lot of useless tools such as alcohol kill people. We tolerate dangerous tools just fine, there has never been a tool where humanity would be like 'nope, its cool, but its dangerous so we are going to stop using it'. Not biological weapons, not cars, we never go back.

aurora26 4 hours ago||
Instead of making the genuinely helpful AI that eases cumbersome things that people do not want to spend time doing, companies are racing to making generative AI models which are stealing from artists and creatives. And Ai models which have been given agency to do things when they not posess the thinking and reasonig that comes with consciousness. And yes if you run a script to do the same, it is unethical.

ML and DL have their place in research which can push the frontiers of the problems and solutions know to humans today. But are the majority if the companies focusing on that? Nope.

Any technology is a tool and if it is in the wrong hands and there are no guardrails in place, both the human and the technology become dangerous. A car in th hands of a robber, a chainsaw in the hands of someone who has an intent to hurt someone,etc.

aenis 3 minutes ago||
My theory is, to build an AI that just helps with 'cumbersome things', and does not come bundled with the faculties to do a whole lot of other things, is impossible. Jagged intelligence and all of that, but intelligence is about patterns on all levels of abstractions, so if you have something that can do your expense report for you, you probably have something that can also evaluate whether its a good expense report and displace someone who does it by hand. To call this unethical is, well, an opinion. The whole history of humanity can be summarized to "learn useful things and automate them".

As for tools in the wrong hands and all, sure. Obviously. My point was that humanity never abandons a technology because of risks, or real issues.

raylad 5 hours ago||
Tested Fable 5.2 for some work tasks, using my automated commit reviewer plugin (https://github.com/rladr-org/reviewer-agent)

gpt-6-luna XHIGH as the reviewer agent still found plenty of bugs that Fable 5.2 missed!

Here was Fable's summary of the session:

  The reviewer ran 16 reviews over 9 commits this session (7 rejections, 9 required fixes, all valid); three of them, on the plan, changed how the numbers are computed.
latent-9 8 hours ago||
https://www.anthropic.com/research/glm-5-3-and-the-spread-of...

GLM-5.3 almost equal even I've tried it and it is proven for security audit in the blockchain realm

ianberdin 18 hours ago||
Here's the benchmark: https://playcode.io/blog/macbook-svg-benchmark#compare

If we compare medium or high, then yes, Fable 5.2 is significantly better than Opus 5.5. But it's better not because it's much smarter, but because you can see it's allowed to spend more tokens. At high, Fable 5.2 wrote 76,158 tokens for $3.05. Opus 5.5 wrote 19,767 for $0.40. If you compare by token count, it's just spending more.

The most interesting one was to compare them at max. Streamed, Fable 5.2 spent the whole 128K output ceiling on thinking and returned nothing. Given 300K on the Batch API, it finished at 250,082 tokens. Opus 5.5 Max needed 255,957.

It turns out it's basically the same as Opus 5.5 Max. I don't see much difference. There's a little bit of a difference, but I think Opus 5.5 actually drew slightly better and is twice as cheap: $5.12 against $10.00 at the standard price. If you look closely, the icons are extremely similar. Fable 5.2: https://playcode.io/marketing/assets/static/claude-fable-5-2... Opus 5.5: https://playcode.io/marketing/assets/static/claude-opus-5-5-...

It really looks like they're just tuning the effort level, that's basically it. At different effort levels, they just gave it more context, and the model got smarter.

For now, my recommendation is still to do everything on Opus 5.5 Max. The model won't write that many tokens in agent mode. It only does that when there are no tools at all.

user43928 14 hours ago|
The more I think about it the more disappointed I am with this release.

For Anthropic's IPO, I expected a larger version of Opus 5.5 with great capabilities.

This isn't that. It's barely better at all, to the point where it's likely not even worth using with the speed and cost trade off.

I thought the Opus 5.5 improvements would scale to a larger model, clearly this hasn't happened. Scaling it up brought only marginal improvement.

It's even still making the same dumb errors as Opus 5.5, such as forgetting to pass the flag to run only the fast tests and waiting 1h, or randomly stopping to ask me if it should first implement A or B, when both are required.

Not a great story for their IPO..

george_max 20 hours ago||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdYynH177h0

Seems like a new focus is electronics design, which is both interesting and a little sad to me. Manually designing electronics are one of the things I found incredible comfort in doing; seeing AI emerging in this space gives me mixed feelings.

edg5000 12 hours ago||
Opus 5.5 has been really good in PCB layout work, better than Astra. So Fable 5.2, which could be even better at PCBs, is a welcome adddition. I'm making PCBs I could not even dream of without AI. Textbook market disruption on global scale.
mrheosuper 7 hours ago||
Can you share some result ? I've seen some and not really impressed. Their layout is just weird, and i doubt it passes anything apart from "2 points are connected together".
edg5000 4 hours ago|||
The horizontal IN1 lines you see was because I explicitly requested one direction per layer as a routing style. This job was Opus 5.5 and took about 8 hours. It relied on a custom PCB viewer and KiCAD 11 (unreleased) because it has a headless IPC mode. The agents used kypi (official module) to work with KiCAD programmatically. The API does not alow showing the board view with net labels, so the custom viewer was needed. They also ran custom IR solvers to identify weak pours. Schematics were in Skidl, this helps the agent comphrehend the design better than a KiCAD shematic would. https://imgur.com/a/v57jbvU

PS Astra and Opus were both good with schematics (and Fable), but Astra was notably worse at layout than Opus. Astra can still review layouts well, just not make them as well (n=1 though).

mrheosuper 3 hours ago||
What happened at pin 32/33 of the IC at bottom ?
edg5000 26 minutes ago||
It's right next to a GND via on the same GND pour. I use GND pours on all layers. A GND island would have failed loudly in DRC.
olalonde 4 hours ago|||
Close to human expert according to: https://x.com/jlcjak/status/2119917708846260729
DavCreator 2 hours ago||
https://XNotMe.com/jlcjak/status/2119917708846260729
xiaoyu2006 19 hours ago||
Now you get to know what mathematicians and programmers felt....
aurareturn 21 hours ago||
Is this the Model 4 internal name?

Reference: https://x.com/METR_Evals/status/2118412205662314935

dwohnitmok 19 hours ago||
No this is only Model 3. See page 39 of the system card and onwards: https://assets.claude.com/27d60918d218125e7504bc7354c4b4626e...

Pretty crazy that Anthropic already has another model waiting in the wings that is significantly better than this.

conradkay 16 hours ago||
*Model 3 Early, not Model 3. And Model 4 was made available to employees ~6 weeks ago, so at the current pace it's very likely they're using something even better now.
usaar333 14 hours ago||
By aeci, fable 5.2 has to be model 3.

You are reading what the external testers wrote about the earlier checkpoint

bluebands 20 hours ago|||
Probably not, not enough time to red-team
nimchimpsky 21 hours ago||
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hmate9 21 hours ago||
Its cheaper at $8 per million input tokens and $40 per million output tokens which is also pretty sweet.
minimaxir 21 hours ago|
Additionally, the terms for the free resets are unusually generous: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/17506494-claude-fable...

> the number of Fable resets you get depends on how long you’ve been a paid subscriber [...] Subscription length is measured from the date of your first paid bill. If you canceled and came back, the time since your first paid bill still counts.

> These resets expire on March 8, 2027 at 11:59 pm PT.

tl;dr if you joined when Opus 4.5 became a thing, you got 2 resets.

guybedo 21 hours ago|||
i might be wrong here but it seems these are not resets of your weekly quota but resets of the Fable limit.

That means you can lift your Fable max 50% usage and you'll just end up burning through your quota faster. You won't have more tokens.

johnwards 20 hours ago|||
This is what it says in the UI:

"Resets your Fable limit, and takes this week’s Fable use off your weekly limit."

ejohansson 19 hours ago||
Where did you see this? That's pretty massive
gummynerd 19 hours ago||||
Yep I just burned a reset thinking i'd get a fresh weekly... Nope
minimaxir 20 hours ago|||
"Weekly limit: gives you back the usage you’ve spent on Fable models"
CreepGin 20 hours ago|||
I just got 3 fable resets. I guess I joined before Opus 4.5.
awongh 21 hours ago|
Doubling Remote Labor Index (RLI) - at 41.3% compared to around 20% for the other models - I wonder what kinds of new agentic work this is going to unlock.
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